TSLA is a car company with 20% margins. AAPL is a fashion company that sells knock off junk at 90% margins. They are not the same.

It pays 9 dollar EPS and it's high growth son. It's aapl on steroids

AAPL puts ftw

I’m back everybody! I just got a $24/hr job! Time for some more AAPL and AMZN YOLOs

Sold my AAPL puts too soon. 😕

AAPL to lead the way down?

AAPL pls fall 15% in the next 2 weeks and I’ll stop being a perma fa- bear

Crazy that it's worth more than aapl, tsla, and spy combined also

AAPL: underperforms SPY for 5 hours

This guy: that tells me everything I need to know

Aapl lagging the market tells me everything I need to know

SPY today :hand-shake: 410

TSLA today :hand-shake: 195

AAPL today :hand-shake: 152

>That's a really interesting DD, I hadn't considered that before. I'm definitely going to short AAPL now. Thanks for the heads up!

US will ban TikTok, China will respond by attacking apple and kicking them out of the country. 5/23 aapl $80 puts will be 50 baggers.

If I was smart, I would’ve sold my AAPL puts I bought at open for like 10-15% profit around 10:30, then re buy them another hour after that. But what’s probably gonna happen is I hold these til 25% loss, sell, then AAPL will tank down to 135 by next Friday and I’ll look like a giant regard

aapl beeline

TSLA: 600B

NFLX: 165B

NVDA: 528B

AAPL: 2.4T

lol, but...yea...let's pump this up.

sold my puts on aapl, this is the top

AAPL just makes my fucking blood boil

Aapl puts here no doubt

Solid day so far. Checked the market at 1015AM, charts looking real red. Buy some AAPL and TSLA puts. Aaaaand that was the bottom.

AAPL holding up pretty well surprisingly

Made money off aapl puts and put that into shares. Feels like robin hood

AAPL has cut iPhone 14 prices in China by up to US$125 at authorized resellers -- they just guided to 10-year high gross margins

AAPL you die now

Amzn, Googl and Aapl my top pick 😊

Die aapl

I love how AAPL fucked over put holders on Friday by going up for no reason, just to probably go down 20% this week.

>Also remember a lot of American companies derive revenue overseas, so the US stock market isn’t all US

The same was also true of Japan: Toyota, Honda, Sony to name a few big ones.

Doing business in foreign countries is not the international diversification that actually matters, having exposure to how foreign markets behave is. No amount of KO or AAPL will do that for you, no matter how much business they do overseas.

AAPL back to $140 this week

Most of my money goes towards VO, VB, and VOO. That said I like to try to catch some good short term returns (1-5 years) and then shift those gains into an index. My returns on GOOGL, AAPL, AMZN, MSFT, TMO, SQM, and TSMC have all beaten SP500 by a lot so I also feel like I should still be researching and picking some stocks.

I just got a robinhood account and it's already not working properly. I was able to short $AAPL but when I went to close the position it wouldn't let me. So I'm forced to hold a losing position until they fix their shit. Thanks Robinhood you fuckers

Wtf how were you able to short AAPL? Quit lying regard

I just got a robinhood account and it's already not working properly. I was able to short $AAPL but when I went to close the position it wouldn't let me. So I'm forced to hold a losing position until they fix their shit. Thanks Robinhood you fuckers

CTN using a glitch on RH to leverage himself up to 50k in AAPL puts when he only had like 3k and then recording himself as market opened was peak WSB tbh. It’ll never be the same 😔

Sometimes. I happened to outsmart myself by holding AAPL calls through earnings and thinking I was going to lose AH until I woke up with the price at the top of my spreads.

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i got aapl april 21 poots for 135. any chance to at least break even on my loss

152.50P on aapl ??

If AAPL could stop dropping pre market, that would be great. I still need to buy my puts.

AAPL and TSLA are the two things holding up this frigged market

Once they die, RIP every bull

just checked, have 4 spx puts, 5 qqq puts, 20 aapl puts, 10 amzn puts, 1 nflx put, 5 goog puts

but still feel like i didn’t buy enough puts

You keep insisting on using shortcuts and shorthand ratios that provide a snapshot of a company at a given point, now adding in some completely irrelevant hindsight bias to illustrate your point.

AAPL, right before its explosion in earnings with the newly released iPhone in 2007 was obviously a good pick. MSFT has known nearly a decade of flat earnings before it reinvented itsself and earning exploded around, 2018. None of that future outcome was in any way guaranteed and in no way was that information somehow included in a P/E ratio

A short counterpoint: this subreddit was advocating buying ZIM at 2 P/E last year. It is currently trading at 0.4

P/Es are simply not comparable between companies, they are dominated by earnings cycles, company reinvestment, capital structure, company types and management decisions.

The only way to decently value a company, and include some forecast of how, now only earnings, but also margins and capital structure could develop is by doing a discounted cash flow analysis.

Also still crazy, crazy profit numbers for AAPL the last quarter, and would had been a lot more if it weren’t for supply problems.

Sorry, reading this again and I think maybe I just didn't read carefully enough the first time but i'm seeing a bunch more comments in here I didn't pick up on the first time.

First, my intention with the large value allocation was much less around the value aspect and much more around the actively managed aspect. Of all the funds here, this is admittedly the one I'm least familiar with and have the least reasoning for. Having said that, I do think getting some active exposure in this environment could be helpful. Do you happen to know of any better active options?

The equal weight I want to keep just to get a little more agnostic size exposure. Plus it straight up freaks me out that VTI is 10% between AAPL and MSFT haha.

Also, curious why you say ditch the momentum component. My impression is that this will likely underperform on a nominal basis but will likely help on a risk adjusted basis. If we get a choppy environment with segmented returns, I feel like something like this might help pick up on the trending sectors and smooth returns a bit.

Should remove googl and amzn and just leave it with AAPL. Googl/amzn still got hit

>This just in: AAPL to announce stock sellback operation in the amount of 500 billion dollars. Tim "apple" cook said to be shambling about offering handjobs for nuggets. - Reuters

I saw Tim Apple with my wife at the mall. We made eye contact and he gave me a wink. AAPL 200c 2/10

are you using forward PE? Backward looking PE are virtually useless unless if you're looking at economic cycles. There's no way AAPL had that high of a FORWARD PE after a recession.

>from 2001-2020 the US was the 5th best performing developed market after Denmark, New Zealand, Australia, and Hong Kong

And yet it trashed ex-US generally.

>from 1969 to 2022, the S&P 500 beat a developed markets index only 55% of the time over rolling 10-year periods.

1. And EM?

2. This "rolling 10 year period" crap is the "big lie" of international investing shills. It always comes up in these discussions, but, interestingly, no one else measures performance with that metric.

If ex-US beats US by 1% in a particular 10 year period, and US beats ex-US by 10% in another particular period, people interested in actually making money will agree that US is doing better.

Only people trying to trick you would claim that these results mean US and ex-US are the same. Because they are tied 1-1. I mean, seriously.

Using a much much more common metric, US has outperformed ex-US in the past 10, 20, 30, 40, and 50 years.

See how much more familiar that metric is?

None of which is to say that people shouldn't invest in ex-US. But they need to know what the actual relevant facts are. And not be sold some Hegelian story about great cycles of history in which ex-US and US are fated to perform equally and that ex-US is now "due".

CSCO outperformed AAPL for a 20 year period, and AAPL outperformed CSCO for the next 20 year period. So basically a tie, and CSCO is now due to return to parity with AAPL?

No one makes, or should make, decisions based on this kind of specious data. If you feel like US stocks don't have much more room to grow and ex-US stocks are undervalued and will appreciate more, then use that as a reason to invest. I think that's what most people wanting to invest more internationally believe, and there's nothing the matter with that.

So I don't know why they don't just admit it.

The fact that AAPL, the largest company, went from 142 to 157 in a single trading session on first dogshit earnings miss since 2016. I'd be very nervous holding literally anything other than puts right now.

If somebody had told you a year ago that AAPL is going to have a big miss and market will rally, would you have believed him?

Good questions.

In 20+ years of doing macroeconomic projection, the one thing I can definitively say is that the practice done by a person who has solid introspection makes one humble.

I'll offer a projection, but I want to preface it by saying that I do not trade on presumptions about the future economic outcome, because the market is fundamentally decoupled from the real economy in many ways. The market's behavior is more about market structure and the ability for greed and fear dynamics to influence cashflows.

So I use technical analysis to build positions based on market strength. When the structures are bullish and that strength is high, I overweight my long. When it's not, I go neutral or overweight short.

Currently, the market is flashing bullish reversal signals. Far more than it has any time last year. This is reinforced by a macro pattern representing the completion of a larger Elliott Wave correction, which also forms a slanted inverse Head & Shoulders with a reinforcing Cup & Handle bottom.

Basically, we have several significant algorithmic structures that combine to create greater buying pressure. We also have strength above the EMA 8 high, and a solid distance from the EMA 50, and a break of the SMMA 200, all of which are bullish indicators.

Sounds like magic line BS, right? Well, if you traded this pattern every time it emerged on the smaller timescale last year playing for a bullish rally, you won every time.

We have a multi-month accumulation pattern in both the smaller and larger timeframes.

Importantly, we have On Balance Volume climbing up. Last year I did a chart study on prior crashes and found that price action can fool you, but On Balance Volume breaking above resistance levels on bullish action means volume is coming back to the market. That's a reversal sign, and can be used to confirm directional changes.

OBV is now climbling levels in the past 2 weeks. It refused to do so for every rally during last year's bear market. The March rally in particular rejected right off a solid OBV trendline even while market price action broke trend.

The indexes have had a few passes to de-weight risky stocks. I think there's still some risk there because some heavy defensives still are elevated, but those are also showing continue strength (I'm looking at you, AAPL) so risk here is decreased.

Institutions have de-leveraged over the last year. They have more bonds. I though the 10Y yield dropping below 4% was a fluke, but it's stayed around 3.5% for an extended period of time. P/E crush on bad earnings isn't as impactful to the market as it was last year, because de-leveraging and positioning for fear has already happened.

The put:call ratio is reversing back to calls... some people on here see that as a reversal sign, and I get why, but it can also be a sign at times like this that institutions have changed direction... we forget MMs and funds also *buy* options based on their positions and expectations.

So I'll ride the trend and play long until the bullish structures start to break. You can have a bullish interjection in a bear market rally, so risk still maintains.

I think this chart of P/E ratios on the S&P against recession is very telling:

https://www.macrotrends.net/2577/sp-500-pe-ratio-price-to-earnings-chart

The common belief is that recessions crash the market. This chart suggests that markets decline into recessions. Sometimes, depending on what those recessions do, the market crashes in the middle, but often it just settles while the situation resolves itself.

If we have a shallow recession, which I think is most likely, the market may just shrug it off. That's what this chart says, and it does that in part because of index adjustment, in part because recessions change monetary policy to be more supportive (which the Fed will absolutely do if a recession deepens, and Powell didn't write it off entirely at this last presser when asked), and in part because eventually people stop selling hoping to catch the bottom.. you then see earnings decline while price remains more stable than it otherwise would have, which drives up P/E ratio.

Which... is kinda what we're seeing now.

But I can't tell the future. My guess is that we don't have enough pressure on wages for a wage/price spiral. I think some markets will correct, but not enough, so I expect some sectors to whipsaw on inflation, but that may get buffered out in the relative YoY CPI depending on how it happens. We have a mild winter so far, that's good for energy disinflation against expectations. Shelter costs are extended and there's enough idle cash in REITs that I don't see them just giving up the market. Eventually someone will step in at low enough prices, which is what happened in 2009 in an environment that wasn't as friendly to that as we are now.

Basically, I think at the end of a bear market, doom and gloom becomes really easy to believe, but there's no guarantee this is a big recession and crash... and if it's not, we can just grind upward again as banks start releasing their huge frakin' reserves and as institutions start deploying massive amount of capital they sucked out of the market since late 2021.

I think risks are high, because these trends create uncertain situations. So I'm guarded, but that's why I use technicals to guide my position hedging.

Buy Tesla on the dip to 140

Sell AAPL on every rip short it it’s a dead company

A 20x PE used to be a growth PE. I.e. accounting for a reasonable amount of future earnings growth. It's only fairly recently that things have gone so far off the rails that investors have had to move to other metrics to justify paying increasingly astronomical prices.

I suppose it's an open question: is this simply the new market normal, with ever-increasing PEs and a shift to PS or EV:EBITDA or pick your favorite newfangled metric, or is the speculative bubble going to pop and prove that oh yeah...maybe we shouldn't have been paying up for earnings 90 years into the future?

I mean...as a counterpoint: AAPL had a PE of 17.5 in 2009 at a price of 6.41. Are you saying AAPL was a bad pick in 2009?

MSFT PE was 12.93. Was MSFT cyclical? A one-off earner at its peak in 2009 at 23.40?

GOOGL was 19.38 in 2010 at 11.16. Was that a bad pick?

Joined a zoom meeting early with one other guy before our manager came in and the guy and I were talking about the market and we both were loaded on AAPL puts for earnings. We both got fucked lol. Manager joined the meeting and we pretended to be working but the manager was like "guys i just got fucked on AMZN stock, one sec i gotta log into my account"

Die aapl die

Look at their last earnings 10/27. They beat but missed on sales and was seemingly bullish but then plummeted within the next week. Furthermore—it just reached a supply zone and resistance near $157. I’m more of a technical trader and I use both long exp and 0dte. I’m more on the short side of the market and AAPL currently. Time will tell!

How about that pump after the fed meeting was fake as fuck. Same with aapl after their earnings. Combine that with some overbought indicators and USD mooning and it adds up to at least a small leg down at this point

AAPL 2/17 150P

If like AAPL, Google removes all headwinds, then yeah they made a SHIT LOAD of money and beat ER estimates by like 10000%.

https://twitter.com/TraderRReynolds/status/1622315457914015749

AAPL hit same high from October then PLUMMETED 13% in 1 week. Sure hope JPOW doesn't say anything on Tuesday to pull the rug

On top of all the recent geopolitical issues and rate hikes, you also have big tech missing earnings. I mean even fucking AAPL missed earnings, yet bulls think SPY 500 is pretty much guaranteed

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loaded up on aapl puts at close

Stock upgrades inbound for Google, AMZN and AAPL

Tesla stock is the best in all the S&P 500 buy on the dip to 110 if we get there again. I’d rather buy it here now at 200 than AAPL at 160.

Apple is a pos company going nowhere. Zero innovation and growth.

I struggle with that idea also. If you look at any broad based etf there is huge overlap. Apple, Microsoft, Google, Amazon are too in both. Berkshire is#5 in SPY. And their top holding is AAPL at 40%.

Is hard to not be top heavy. The DIA is a lot more even.

I will forgo the commentary about this being the wrong place for advice : 8 out of 10 degenerates are posting crashing portfolio's to zero that should be your guide. BUY VOO an index fund. If you must own stocks Diversify buy 5 to10 stocks . VZ I like the stock Verizon is way off =its high Great dividend and will appreciate . a few more AAPL, CAT , a bank I like RF the best ,BAC or WFC, MCD , AMZN ,maybe BA, BRKB If you like to go a little tech heavy add MSFT. Want an auto maker F .This is a sleep like a baby portfolio. You buy these I honestly believe you delete app come back in 10 years you will be happy.

If aapl goes to 150 eow I’ll treat my dog to a a5 wagyu

Aapl bringing the gold razor back

AAPL makes more than iPods? I just went to Best Buy, and they said they don't carry them anymore. I asked about Zune, and the punk kid said he never heard of them. Gen Z is so stupid!

How is this in the money when the breakeven price is still $1 more than what the price of aapl is?

95 PE.

"Value opportunity."

headdesk

P.s. nobody needs a writeup on AMZN, AAPL, GOOGL, MSFT, NVDA, or any other component of the top 25% of the S&P 500's market cap. They're already extensively covered from every angle you could possibly approach them from.

AAPL did miss. Stock went up. So . . . ?

AAPL missing will have a greater impact.

AAPL has been a fun one. If you can afford 100 shares, I pull in an extra $60-$100 per month on selling way otm calls

And not for nothing. Make this layout with any other product and see how it sounds. Don't buy a cell phone. Use moris code and invest the rest in AAPL . Why communicate and have information at your finger tips when you can take that cell phone bill and invest in the stock and one day have more money. Also instead of buying whatever car brand you prefer. Walk. Then take that monthly payment and invest in the car company you prefer and that 1k a month over 20 years. You can have a great retirement and be really fit. Don't buy anything off of Amazon. Take those purchases and buy Amazon stock instead and live without any modern conveniences. Sounds like hella fun...

>There’s no reason for big investors to keep buying Chinese securities now that they’ve shown they have no respect for us.

Investors don't give a shit about respect. The only thing they give a shit about is making money and sadly most of them are still charmed by the "massive market" in China and think that they can establish a foothold while handing over majority stakes to the CCP for any venture they start in China.

Also AAPL. Tim Cook rides too much authoritarian dick and is completely dependent on their goodwill and many indexes have AAPL right at the top of their holdings.

Those "right-leaning hedge fund managers" don't give a shit about patriotism or authoritarianism. They just want money. The only thing that will get them out of China are more economic sanctions and restrictions.

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betting against aapl has often proved to be painful... good luck!

I had been doing something similar to OPs post for years with AAPL, but in my case I actually did buy iPhones, albeit used ones.

I remember hearing about the gaudy $1200 prices that began around iPhone 7 in 2017, thinking how absurd that was. I just ended up rocking a iPhone 6 until 2021 when I finally bought a iPhone XS, which I still have in perfect condition. So while people were somehow forking out $1200 (usually in instalments) for the newest flagship model, I was watching my investment in Apple grow and enjoying a similar experience at a much more affordable price point. I also never had a phone plan and just used home/work wifi, so there’s thousands more saved too, to add to the five thousand or so made on the stock over 3 years.

aapl poots printing ? exp april 21 for $130

I’ve bought a lot of Apple products over my lifetime and they have all been paid for with my AAPL profits.

Yeah, I’ll go long on AAPL any day.

Aapl no other choice

I always trim on the way up. Say i buy 10 aapl calls for their earnings on monday. Tuesday i wake up amd theyre up 100%. I sell half. Now the last five are free. Say wednesday its up another 200%. I sell 3. Now i have 2 that are free and ive already profited. I hold the last two through earnings and let them ride hoping for a 10bagger

AAPL up 6% day of earnings [no news story]

AAPL falls 4% after earnings [“Apple stock falls sharply”]

AAPL up 4% next day [no news story]

>1. Apple Inc. (AAPL) 2. Amazon.com, Inc. (AMZN) 3

>sp500 companies already have a lot of international exposure because many of them operate globally.

Certain sectors have almost no foreign coverage, and I'd argue that where a company does notices doesn't matter at all when it's comes to international diversification: what should matter is getting coverage of how foreign markets behave, and no amount of KO or AAPL will do that.

Plenty of foreign companies also do lots of business within the US, would you have been just as comfortable going 100% ex-US?

>but honestly I now prefer to just keep it simple and buy the 500 most valuable companies.

And in doing so you pass up a compensated risk factor and take on an uncompensated one.

They call Apple customers a cult fanboy for a reason. Come hell or high water these rabid Apple Fanboy loyalist would sooner skip their rent payment then not miss out on the next iphone release.

So I'm here buying DCA more AAPL shares on my 3 year old "ghetto" Android phone and laughing my ass off with gains.

As much of a hater of apple I am, if Tim says that I pledge buying AAPL stocks, maybe even option

CAGR from 2013 to 2023:

AAPL 24% AMZN 23% GOOGL 18% MSFT 27% S&P500 13%

OP is also so dumb as to not realize AAPL is up 2.44%, so the arrow to the only face is expected.

Says he has $6.99 in a checking account and some cash. So like $20? What a dumb fuck. Pissed away life changing money. Could have bought aapl or spy shares and just sold cc’s for the rest of his life.

AAPL is up 2.63% today, nice!

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someone bought 15B worth of Aapl shares on friday which pumped it up

cash on hands not that much compared to other companies

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AAPL/apple/cash-on-hand