Haha. Did the exact same but with OXY & CLF. They were freely given at the time I first opened my account also during covid lol RIP.

Are we still ‘Steel Hands’ for CLF ?

Steel gang pump. CLF, X lfg

i bought hkd like a silly goose @50 and i will sell later to buy clf ...what is everyone doing today

> Morningstar has GME at a fair market value of $49 not $15 but I'm sure you know better

I wouldn't put any faith in their "fair market value". For example they have:

AMD @ 130
GPS @ 25
CLF @ 30 (I fucking wish, lol)
UBER @ 73 (22% over their all time high???)

I don't know how they're making up these numbers, but they're clearly bullshit.

See it this way: u saved a couple Millions by not chasing stocks this year, now get back in clf or another stock and do a good yolo to get back to 10m! Cheers

I'm picking up some CLF calls here

I'm sure they hedged, find an ETF for lumber and steel, also calls on steel suppliers maybe X or CLF stay away from the Depot or Lowes, honestly I dont think itll be much of an impact until a few weeks after it blows over once clean up is done

Are industrials in much weaker positions than (very profitable, large cap) tech companies in a rising rate environment?

I understand why speculative tech will get heavily revised down, but intuitively, I can't see why MSFT/GOOG/AAPL/CRM/ADBE/META ... type companies are worse off than heavy industrials like CAT, CMI, DE, X, CLF, etc. They generate so much cash, don't have to rely on as much 'equipment' or physical construction for operating.

Industrial-type of companies carry a lot more debt, rely on steady global manufacturing/agricultural activity (and that can tank a lot more than say the use of Microsoft servers), and require expensive cap-ex. Moreover, they are more cyclical, so if we see a big recession, I would expect them to contract even more.

This is mostly intuition. Can anyone give me an example of an industrial you'd expect to outperform a company like MSFT in a rising rate environment?

The price charts of industrials just look so much riskier to me, and timing seems even more important than for GOOG or AAPL.

I sold VDE at a double and all of my CLF calls six months ago. Think that play is over. Broad correction is broad.

>I highly doubt that, CLF is a fucking piece of shit company and OXY is just an overhyped oil stock.

Steel and oil is needed for war, so maybe CLF leaps and OXY leaps

CLF going back to $5 in the next 6mo

>CLF almost back at $13

finally someone mentioning CLF here

CLF almost back at $13

They slaughtered my boi

They don't use a lot of funds for for dividends. CLF doesn't pay one at all, and STLD and NUE both pay sub 2%. Internationally, MT also pays under 2%. But they've recently put a lot of money into buybacks.

CLF is a good company, but trades more in line with its fair value, in my opinion. Also operates with more leverage, so doesn't have the same level of safety to the downside. Probably number 2 US steelmaker, if I was making a list.

Vs. CLF?

I'm over here w $F, $GM, $CLF, $LCID, $FSR. And some obligatory meme stocks. That Peter Lynch fella. Invest in what you know. Yea, I'm a car person. Basically I was losing money on automotive stock's or buying a 3rd car. Money was never mine any way

I work for CLF. I wouldn't buy CLF.

I’m in on CLF at $10

CLF gotta be oversold. Buying calls 🤙

what are you guys buying? im about to buy more CLF

Lost all 15K of my play money during the greatest bill run in history (mostly because of CLF calls). But since markets crashing I play OTM Call Credit Spreads. Seems like an infinite money glitch. But what do I know.

I’m not sure how it’s played out so far in 22, but CLF was planning to be debt free by end of 22.

Now if there’s a massive downturn it’s entirely possible they have to go back into debt in order to keep operations flowing. But, otherwise it’s one of my faves to look for a longer term hold on.

Supposed to be debt free by end of 22, currently selling at less than 5x PE. And vertically integrated so they have a lot more pricing power than you think. Also, largest NA steel manufacturer and the infrastructure bill requires NA steel.

Jumped on the GME train of course. Not early enough, but accumulated decent shares all the way back down when it went $483 to $40. Did all the right things. Then found options. You can guess where on the graph. Simultaneously during options experiment bought 14 2DTE AMC$28c for like .07 each. They ended up going in the fucking money (may 2021) but I had already plushied out however that did enable me to FOMO into WKHS before EOD right before that also popped. First ones are free eh? Sniped a win off CLF and thought I was invincible. Proceeded to dump $24k+ into GME over the next 5 months, Le Sigh. Been just holding shares and learning ever since. Too bad I still can’t trade the way my predictions have gone lately!

Short CLF

INTC, BE, PSNY, VWAGY, F, GOOG, APD, AA, UAL, GLW, CAT, CMI, GWRS, HON, PCAR, V, UNP, CLF, STLD, URI. Most of these I'm just starting to nibble at small positions. Also have call options from last week on ADN, NKLA, HYLN and PTRA. Been hedging when necessary with inverses. So far knock on wood I've had a pretty decent year.

Need a 10% day on CLF please

Lmao. How many companies on here are going to blow soon because they make money and have a low PE ratio? Let's see, there was BABA, RKT, CRSR, CLF, UWMC and about 500 other 'great buys' that are now just bleeding to death. The reason stocks have a low PE ratio is because.... PEOPLE AREN'T BUYING THEM. As far as *options and trading* is concerned It's far better to buy an overpriced stock that's going to go up than the worlds most fundamentally sound piece of shit no one has any interest in that just keeps going down.

its kinda funny i put another 5k in the stock market (CLF, META, QCOM) this week and they all tanked

>China will need to buy high grade U.S. steel to rebuild their infrastructure.

Yeah don't count on that ever happening unless their government completely collapses.

BUT.

I'm def waiting to pick up CLF later this year. Just gotta let it slide down a bit more.

$X (U.S. steel) and $CLF (Cleveland-Cliffs Inc.) are profitable companies trading at ridiculously low PE ratios. Also, China will need to buy high grade U.S. steel to rebuild their infrastructure. Construction stopped on many new Chinese high rise buildings when it became evident they were built with extremely cheap concrete materials, weakening them like large sand castles that are easily chiseled away by a 1 inch steel rod.

Tell that to CLF lol feel like you described them to a T

No idea. Only CLF insight I have is that the last expo I attended the CLF CEO spoke for like an hour straight and he's certifiably insane.

Mixed reports from steel. Nue guides down, x guides in line Steelco calling bottom for steel. Playing small positions. 2 15p Oct on clf

CLF is gonna squeeze, moon, Ryan Cohen, Michael Burry.

CLF might as well be free at this rate

I opened a small position in clf just a bit ago, will continue to buy more depending what it does. I had been kicking myself for not buying back in July.

man am I glad I sold CLF this morning.

Take on CLF/X oversold? jump in now or wait?

I'm long on CLF (boomer style, just holding stock), but feel like there might be deeper to go.

TBH not sure what today's dump is caused by when almost everything else is green.

CLF a buy?

time to buy that CLF dip at $15.50?

Any thoughts on CLF ?

CLF and X taking a nosedive

Most of those have solid financials (current), but aren't some of them looking at a rug pull?

X - Future P/E / EPS is looking worse

Conns - Sales Q/Q -17%

CLF - seems allergic to keeping cash and equivalents

Plays I said this morning:

TSLA 300C 9/9

SPY 405C 9/9

AMZN 132C 9/9

META 165C 9/9

TGT 175C 9/9

MSFT 265C 9/9

CLF 17C 9/9

EVERY single one printed. I’m gonna call out shit more often cuz it’s fun

For those asking

TSLA 300C 9/9 ⭐️

SPY 405C 9/9 ⭐️

AMZN 132C 9/9

META 165C 9/9

TGT 175C 9/9

MSFT 265C 9/9

CLF 17C 9/9

⭐️ = biggest payout

Good luck today everyone, seriously

Assuming the pump is real

TSLA 300C 9/9

SPY 405C 9/9

AMZN 132C 9/9

META 165C 9/9

TGT 175C 9/9

MSFT 265C 9/9

CLF 17C 9/9

WMT 140C 9/9

Assuming the pump is real

TSLA 300C

SPY 405C

AMZN 132C

META 165C

TGT 175C

MSFT 265C

CLF 17C

WMT 140C

Assuming the pump is real, easy 4 figures on all of these. If you’re wanting the biggest payout, probably TSLA 300C

I shit on ape men for losing money on absolute dumbo plays like towel store and dead video game store. But I lose money on boomer stocks like C, PARA, F, CLF. It’s like ape men married a really hot woman who killed them in their sleep. But I married a 5 that only tugs me off once a week. Life is weird man.

CLF

Good old $CLF. The only stock the color Green in my port.

No positions in $BBBY currently.

Have some sweet holdings in $CLF and $ADM though.

CLF Integrated steel.. yep we still need steel! Awesome PE!

Calls on CLF

You left out CLF CLOV WOOF BARK WISH WKHS

I've won a few times thanks to WSB. My wins:

$420 off CLF
$503 off CLNE
$645 off GME
$326 off WKHS

I've just been buying random DD's that sound good. That said, my first and only loss is this probably BBBY as I bought $2k worth of bags to hold onto.

is back all in CLF

Clf, a company that is drowning in money, is now down from where it was a week ago when they announced they would be raising the prices on all of their products

Tickers of Interest

Gamma Max Cross

• MPC 10/21 100P for $5.25 or less
• VET 10/21 27.5C for $2.40 or less
• SLCA 10/21 14P for $1.10 or less
• ESTE 10/21 15C for $1.70 or less
• CDEV 10/21 8P for $0.50 or less

Delta Neutral Cross

• CLF 10/21 18C for $1.30 or less
• X 10/21 23C for $1.90 or less
• MRK 10/21 87.5C for $1.70 or less
• CRWD 10/21 180C for $15.35 or less
• MCD 10/21 260C for $3.90 or less

Trading Thesis

Technical analysis and indicator based trading tend to use past price performance in order to predict important price levels today.

This analysis is based on the current option open interest. With that option open interest, it calculates portfolio-level greeks--notably Delta and Gamma. More importantly, once the portfolio level greeks are established, I can now simulate the change in greeks at different price points. From there, I can find the price levels where portfolio-level gamma is the highest, and the portfolio-level delta is close to 0.

For some tickers, the underlying price reacts strongly off of delta neutral, gamma max, and sometimes both.

It's the reaction off of these price levels in the past that is being used to drive trading signals.

The plays and target entry prices given are calculated using a binomial option pricing model that reflect the expected size and duration of the reaction from gamma max or delta neutral. A lot of these plays are profitable by underlying moves in stock. The best plays benefit from the directional move as well as the increase in IV.

Notes

• If the price has moved past the entry price, exercise caution. Someone knows something that I don't know.
• Look to sell half your position on a double, and freeroll the rest to exit at your discretion.
• I tend to risk up to 1% of my total capital on any trades I take. If my conviction is lower, I'll only allocate 0.5% or even 0.25% of my capital to the trade, and dollar cost average in.
• The trades were calculated before market open, and so are based on information up to yesterday. Keep that in mind when deciding to enter well after the fact.

FAQ

• These plays are mostly puts. Are you a gay bear?
  • No. It so happens that the companies have had some recent run-up which implies they are overextended. These trades are primarily some form of mean-reversion either toward or away from an important price level.
• Are you entering all these plays?
  • No. There have been a dearth of plays in the WSB morning talks, and so I opened up my bag of tools slightly wider to point out more plays with a probable edge to help lead apes to more gain porn. Go through this curated list of plays, pick the ones you like based on whatever additional analysis you use, and get that gain porn.

There was probably a significant amount of bad forward guidance to justify the move down on steel as a whole.

See P/E history here, it frequently swings negative.

I prefer CLF because they are vertically integrated, but I'm not in steel at all right now because I think everything will suffer from the macro environment.

I prefer the VERTICALLY INTEGRATED STEEL MANUFACTORY

CLF baby.

CLF looking juicy af

Tomorrow I am buying $IPI at open since some funds might have shorty shorts. The commodity bull market is continuing. Buy Oil, buy agriculture stocks, buy $CLF, even copper would prolly be ok. But whatever you do; don't buy the tech stocks talked about here. We are in a 2000-2008 market, not the free cash market where tech outperformed the last 12 years without having to show a profit. Good Luck

You maybe right. The original poster of this topic said the same. I am positioned as if the rally may or may not happen. Oil stocks are rallying. The Agriculture stocks that I am overweight on are outperforming. I am looking at $CLF or $X to add to next. I dumped all of my consumer stocks including $LEVI that I was bullish on. If people sell their mutual finds than they are selling Apple, Microsoft, and Google since most S&P funds are way overweight those stocks. The S&P can go down and individual stocks can still go up.

Good Luck

Just buy the $XLE stocks and chill. You might want to diversify a bit and add $CLF, $CF, and $MOS. Buy stocks with strength. Everyone here that keeps BTFD on tech stocks that keep dipping is a great way to keep losing money.

$OXY $VET and $XOM

Also big into steel. $CLF, $X, $MT, much lower P/E ratios and all commodities will do well under stagflation not JUST oil (which will do the best, but that’s priced in with 3x higher P/E ratios than steel)

I have made successful trades on CLF every day this week. No homeruns, but I’ve never had this much consistent success.

I think it’s about time I quit my job and do this full time.

CLF

The future is built upon microchips and steel, X, as in, if you are too stupid to sign your own name just write X, is a good play but nue and clf deserve a look also.

Maybe CLF honestly

Tickers of Interest

Gamma Max Cross

• PINS 10/21 22.5P for $1.50 or less
• PLUG 10/21 30P for $3.35 or less
• CLF 10/21 19P for $1.45 or less
• DVN 10/21 70P for $3.90 or less
• AMRS 10/21 3P for $0.40 or less

Delta Neutral Cross

• TWTR 10/21 41P for $3.05 or less
• AMD 10/21 100C for $5.45 or less
• BA 10/21 170C for $8.65 or less
• BMY 10/21 72.5C for $2.00 or less
• LUMN 10/21 11P for $0.35 or less

Trading Thesis

Technical analysis and indicator based trading tend to use past price performance in order to predict important price levels today.

This analysis is based on the current option open interest. With that option open interest, it calculates portfolio-level greeks--notably Delta and Gamma. More importantly, once the portfolio level greeks are established, I can now simulate the change in greeks at different price points. From there, I can find the price levels where portfolio-level gamma is the highest, and the portfolio-level delta is close to 0.

For some tickers, the underlying price reacts strongly off of delta neutral, gamma max, and sometimes both.

It's the reaction off of these price levels in the past that is being used to drive trading signals.

The plays and target entry prices given are calculated using a binomial option pricing model that reflect the expected size and duration of the reaction from gamma max or delta neutral. A lot of these plays are profitable by underlying moves in stock. The best plays benefit from the directional move as well as the increase in IV.

Notes

• If the price has moved past the entry price, exercise caution. Someone knows something that I don't know.
• Look to sell half your position on a double, and freeroll the rest to exit at your discretion.
• I tend to risk up to 1% of my total capital on any trades I take. If my conviction is lower, I'll only allocate 0.5% or even 0.25% of my capital to the trade, and dollar cost average in.

FAQ

• These plays are mostly puts. Are you a gay bear?
  • No. It so happens that the companies have had some recent run-up which implies they are overextended. These trades are primarily some form of mean-reversion either toward or away from an important price level.
• Are you entering all these plays?
  • No. There have been a dearth of plays in the WSB morning talks, and so I opened up my bag of tools slightly wider to point out more plays with a probable edge to help lead apes to more gain porn. Go through this curated list of plays, pick the ones you like based on whatever additional analysis you use, and get that gain porn.

CLF is shooting for the stars. Meme it up little buddy

CLF looking

Why is CLF mooning? Any news or just memeing?

BREAKING NEWS: $BBBY contracted $CLF to be the raw materials supplier for the building of the rocket ship. BOTH are headed to the moon!!! BULLISH AS FUCK 🚀🚀🚀💎🤲

CLF BABY!!! CLEVELAND MF CLIFFS BUSSIN

Told yall to buy CLF yesterday but instead someone reported me to Reddit police.

$CLF, who makes money hand over fist, announced they are raising the price on all steel products by over 10%. If this was a garbage big tech bubble stock it would be up 50% on this news. Instead the stock is only up 4% since the announcement

CLF is a much better steel company than the one that guy mentioned.

Anyone looking at CLF?

CLF $20 EOW

Are we still Steel-Hands for CLF - Cleveland Cliffs?

Buy CLF you cocksuckers

Bought CLF since it’s been flat. Immediately sell a CC and then not even 30 seconds later it moons. LMAOOOOOOOO.

That’s ok at least I’ll make something.

>*Cleveland-Cliffs Announces Price Increase for Carbon Steel Products $CLF

^*Walter ^Bloomberg ^@DeItaone ^at ^2022-08-24 ^15:04:19 ^EDT-0400

CLF prepping for take off tomorrow

CLF is a great play still. Going to continue run up until earnings in October.

Good idea. I will need my pirate chest to hold all the cash I am making from $HAL, $GGB, $MOS, and $CLF stocks as well. My port is up 3% for the day. How are my fellow techies doing today : P

Yesterday I thought buying CLF on Friday was a mistake. Today it isnt lol.

It looks like the $HAL, $MOS, and $CLF trade is back on. Good thing I've been BTFD on all 3 while some people were shopping at bankrupt $BBBY.

I hope all you meme apes are coping. The crazy thing is if you all went full on retard on the stock $CLF you might have won. But instead you choose Blockbuster, I mean $GME & $AMC. Than to double down you bought a bankrupt $BBBY. None of you have ever shopped at Bath, Body & Beyond. So why buy the fucking stock? Some people deserve to lose their life savings.

$MOS, $CLF, $CF, $GOLD are all green today. It looks like the inflation trade may not have ended just quite yet despite CNBC & Reddit crowing demand destruction and peak inflation. I have found if I inverse WSB; I usually make cash trading in this market : )

CLF is my jam

I bought CLF to ride back to 20+ or back down to 15. We'll see

CLF great buy right now for a 2 month pop off

Take this from someone who bought GME at 350 and lost a shit ton but make it ALL back over the next 6 months...

There will be plenty more opportunities, I slowly crawled back up to my original investment buy buying some AMC when its low and SELLING when it rose a bit, make a few hundred of one quick play, be patient and wait for the next. Slowly, you will gain more money to invest so even the small wins will compound and become bigger but remember. NOBODY MADE PROFIT BY HOLDING. Unless you sell and realize those gains, you have NOT made gains. There were many meme stock that came after GME, like BB, AMC, CLF, there was a weed stock, CLNE, just be patient and remember to sell when you can.

You will see a lot of HODL and SELLING IS FOR PUSSIES, but do not be fooled, its all a mirage, its all just a ploy to build hype and get stupid new investors to fall for it. There's always a winning and losing side to each trade, for each winner, there's a loser. You don't wanna be the loser. This sub is the easiest money you will ever make, frequent often, find meme stocks on the come up, BBBY was talked about for so long, it was a no-brainer meme stock, invest early, get out when you have made an amount of profit you are happy with. it's that easy, just don't let the greed convince you to hold.

Clf bought a shit ton of steel companies after spending 1.7B on a new iron ore plant