INTC option C/P premiums are pretty cheap, any type of catalyst from INTC can see a short gamma play with premiums, and spread are tight. I will consider leap OTM calls soon - as a HODLing $20 Put until end of year, and switch to calls. Will be eyeing around midterms
I don't like it. Too semicinductor heavy and the wrong companies in my opinion. I would get fully rid of INTC and MU and replace with TXN and AMD or increase QCOM allocation. I hate META- uncertain future, metaverse bet is a gamble, too dependent on ads in a privacy trend, founder a sociapathic lizard, the next myspace. Google also a bit too dependent on ads. I would move from both into MSFT and AAPL. keep some google tho
I have puts on RIVN. 😬 but it’s doing better than INTC which has a dividend, 5 PE and huge market share.
The architecture may shift
INTC is building the fabs,,whatever they want to make them at INTC
TSMC is high risk given the geo political churn in South China sea , and china will take taiwan
How can I trim/reorganise this? Was buying some dips and ended up with a bit of everything and a falling knife as my top holding! (Some of the weightage come from bit of VOO/VTI)
INTC 16.69 GOOG 13.49 META 10.48 MSFT 6.86 MU 6.76 SONY 5.98 AAPL 4.62 TM 3.69 MMM 2.37 AMZN 1.79 VZ 1.73 UBER 1.69 QCOM 1.67 HMC 1.58 AMD 1.40 ASML 1.17 T 1.11 JPM 0.81 C 0.62 NOK 0.57 UMC 0.48
The stock market today will fall regardless of gems that you believe have the potential. I reached the same conclusion when World Trade Centers collapsed. Prior, dot com internet industry speculation could get it back up but not with 911 on top.
QQQ for example had declined during 2000 year with -36.93% loss. 2001 year was no better at -32.78% loss, 2002 year another -37.66% loss. I sensed the market was not right for wealth accumulation left the scene earlier loses less. Instead of MSFT, INTC, JDSU I put them in most conservative fixed income, annunity, and ibond which did not have a limit. iBond was paying 3.4% then. Still have them, iBond is now offering 13.18%. Annunity had its up and down. But it more than doubled over the years. iBond is paying 11.72% 3.7X original.
There are other types of investment which people have to try to see it works for them.
I remember someone telling me that NVDA was going to 5x (When they were already $1T).
I told him that "dying" INTC does more in EBITDA than NVDA does in revenue.
The China chip ban is going to hurt NVDA and at most growth in chips will be ~12% annual.
Have you heard on ‘smart city’ $AFFU and Dell are collaborating on, > INTC : potential of getting involved?
Latinpoor here. ITUB, PBR, BBD, VALE, AAPL, INTC, MSFT and AMD.
I tend to buy at the top and ride the slide all the way down. Makes life more interesting to see if I'll ever break even again. Long INTC...
There have been many stocks to not appreciate for a decade. Cisco is famously still below it's dot com highs. Look at INTC as well. It's been a dud, even before it's recent drop, despite being a productive company.
You need to keep in mind that the last 5 years have not been normal. The FED has been juicing equity markets for 15 years making everything else unattractive. They are now pulling that support. The back stops that stopped declines in 2018 and 2020 are not happening now.
We're at the June lows now. This is support. Throwing a few bucks in now isn't a terrible idea, but the market is still digesting the FED hikes. Powell laid out a rough plan last week. If this support holds, it will likely trade sideways for awhile, not rocket back to ATH. if it breaks, maybe look for the next support level and see what happens.
btw each BABA and INTC drop I was doubling down. But with whole market being down they lost this great value proposition that it had once it was crashing early.
call me crazy but I think it’s time to buy Intc
stay poor and dumb my friend! anyone who is a regards is you that has no idea how to trade or invest. watch and learn, take notes.
how is INTC trading below it's covid low a bad trade? it's technically oversold with a gap to close and a new fab plant coming online.
AMD just needs 1 or 2 week of a technical snap rally back to $95 and I will be taking profits on the way up around $85 and be out with profits.
I've been watching silver miners for a long time and there is a bullish pennant and a breakout is coming! this one is a 5 bagger minimum and will buy me a house all cash.
I love people giving up on INTC already 😂
I am meming into intc right now, it is awesome
LOL just realized they reached their lowest price since freaking 1994. INTC looks crazy too assuming those companies aren't going bankrupt, which last I checked they're doing quite well actually. Actually, wtf.
You can always sell covered calls if u own at least 100 shares of each to help recoup some of the losses. I bought some more shares of INTC today and plan to buy more if we get a more significant drop. Then I’ll just run the wheel strategy.
Value investors shaking in their boots! INTC is devastated!
Do YOU want any Intc? Neither does anyone else.
that is my trade thesis for INTC and AMD trade, silver is going to take maybe 12 to 24 months to play out.
INTC is already below it's covid low, way oversold and due for a technical rally, and it also has a gap to close.
All about management.
AMD didn't have it, but does not.
INTC doesn't have it and I'm not old enough to remember when they did lol.
You totally might be right about INTC. But, I remember when AMD was bullshit.
INTC has been slowly dying for 2 decades. Don't let the low P/E fool you, they're not a value play. Unless something changes significantly with their managements, or ops, they'll continue losing market share.
I know this is not /r/investing but what are some buy it and keep it forever ideas you are looking at. Shit will soon be cheap and buying spy forever is boring.
ME: INTC, BHP
Calls on INTC like I can’t think of why this bih going down
INTC is likely going to keep bleeding earnings until the new fab goes live in 2025. Imagine what the share price will do when they have their first loss quarter.
I'm bullish long term but maybe some deep otm 2025 calls at most. Shares are fuk.
I’ve been loading up on MO and INTC shares.. what’s next?!
T and INTC are about as beaten up as you can get. I bought both of these stocks recently so (obviously) would not sell. I think ASML is in a precarious position. Not that this constitutes financial advice.😜
People who say this have never heard of opportunity cost.
If you are down on a stock and find another stock that you think will give you better returns, you should sell and buy the other stock. Do you think INTC will recover faster than AMD or NVDA (as examples)? If the answer is no, then why hold INTC rather than selling and buying AMD or NVDA?
Look at the 5 year chart. Compare it to INTC. AMD can continue to fall a lot farther if things keep going in this direction.
Vz probably. Good fcf. Utility so it's sticky and good dividend history.
Intc maybe. They may suspend it at one point for growth. Who knows
I am gey ber, but really the only thing that's stupid any more is tech and some other names like Costco and cmg.
Vz at 5 year low Intc at 20 year low
Some of these divvys are insane too
About 10% of my portfolio is down a lot (~30%) and are stocks like
$INTC. What would you say, hold on to them, or sell at a (pretty big) loss. If I sell, I'm thinking of either holding that as cash for a while, or DCAing into a seemingly well hedged dividend ETF.
Intc P/E ratio of 5. Fucking WHAT
All in on INTC FDs LESSSSSGOOOOOOOO
Yeah their US fabs won’t be any better than INTC fabs. INTC is buying the same litho machines. Taiwan has decades of home grown innovation there and a strong culture around TSMC. Lots of young engineers want to work there and support it. It’s a point of pride for them.
INTC is a buy right now. IDC what their management is or their technology. They have so much wiggle room to fuck up multiple times and not affect the stock price at this level.
INTC poots going to print at opening bell. Thinking about cashing out? I mean honestly how much lower can these already undervalued chip stonks slide? God knows I could use the W, looks like airline calls going to keep getting bukkake’d
should diversify and add amd intc
AMD is up 445% for the past 5 years, and down 39% the past 6 months. INTC is down 27% for the past 5 years, and down 42% the past 6 months.
I'm regarded and sitting on a stack of November calls I bought at yesterdays close for $INTC ... so I'm gonna believe you and double down.
Intc is shrinking in revenue and profitability so of course their PE is less than Amd who is growing both. The dividend you mentioned is the anchor around Intc neck. The can't stop paying it or everyone dumps their stock, but by paying it they aren't investing enough in R&D and Fabs.
The Fabs that Intc is building in the US won't make any difference until at least 2025 and TSM who manufactory for AMD is building a fab in AZ so that advantage is nothing.
Even if Intc is in line for Asml next generation equipment they are years from having it installed and a fab running on it. I honestly don't see how they can catch up to TSM who also buys all their equipment from Asml and probably order it before Intc
I don’t know how you can have an opinion here without having an opinion on how important you think fabs are in the value chain. What if apple just pays tmsc more than AMD and squeezes them out? Can Intel actually catch up? I guess at least intc is cheap
I have a mountain of INTC and these bags are heavy. However, it gives me a dividend while waiting and the PE is low. They are investing in a foundry. Having said that, it keeps crashing😬
Right now the pecking order is AMD > INTC > NVDA but this is short term. NVDA will get out of the dog house eventually.
AMD released new CPU not long ago and I believe at end of year their going release new GPU.
On gamers perspective NVDA newest RTX 4090 which is priced to 1600€ has made many gamers angry about NVDA greed. Most of them say going to full AMD depending the price of AMD GPU.
I hope AMD will do reasonable price for its new GPU if so it will allow them to get more market share from NVDA.
INTC well they still good but changing socket every 2-3 years makes them less preferable.
AM4 which is released on 2017 should be going for several years and after that there is still second hand market.
Overall AMD changed alot this year by byuing Xilinx and that other company I dont remember. Plus new CPU&GPU releases. Stock price has fallen dramatically but they now are stronger and better than year ago when stock price was 150$.
INTC might be strong when their fab finish 2025?
Why by INTC when you can get 2yr treasuries at 4%
Oof....would like to see INTC ramp up domestic chip production and purchase some ASML machines.
honestly INTC stock is a buy for sure
$INTC dividend is now 5%. Stock is 29 dollar at a p/e of 6.
Amazing that its at the same price as it was in March 1999 (23.5 years)
Bought airline calls yesterday during the calamity, those got dicked down another nice 55% today. Going to just hold on? Exp 9/30, all I need is one or two nice green days.
Bought more puts on INTC today. There doesn’t seem to be a bottom.
Naturally both of these positions will be incorrect and I will continue to hemorrhage cash.
How low can INTC go. Deep value or value trap? 🤔
CHIPS act helping to fund new fabs. This puts them back in the race against TSM. U.S government will make sure INTC succeeds to secure domestic chip production. Mobileye IPO is a nice cherry on top to make INTC some good money. They have solid fcf to support their trajectory.
The entire semiconductor industry is getting rekd. Look at NVDA, AMD, INTC, MU, etc, etc.
Many analysts think it will be several years before the semi's come back. That their earnings will be terrible for the next 5 or 6 quarters.
Yeah, I bought shares lol. INTC ain't going anywhere.
INTC literally has a 5.13% dividend yield now
Intc dividend is 5% and you can sell a covered call 20% above current prices for another 5%, giving you a yield of 10% in less than a year. If the price recoverd you can get a whopping 30% total yield. Compared to 4% that sounds good.
give me exactly one reason why i shouldnt go all in INTC
I rather be a AMD bagholder than INTC.
INTC have been poor over the last few quarters, I’m predicting that they will either completely slash or reduce its dividend due to the amount of CAPEX they will have to spend over the next few years. Not to mention, their current CEO is one of the highest paid CEO across the world despite the performance he has done since his inception.
As of right now NVDA -5.08% AMD -5.16% < INTC - 0.92%.
It's only dumb if you bought 5 years ago. This sub happily bought AMD at $155 last November while tearing INTC a new asshole.
This kind of comment is really dumb. Worse than YTD? AMD is up 400% over the last 5 years while INTC is red for the last 5 years and has never touched its ATH since the tech bubble crash.
Intc is over 5% dividend, then sell a covered call leap for another 5-7% and collect 10% plus if it goes sideways. If it goes up, you get the 10% plus 20% from the strike price so 30% total.
10-30% returns while everyone in here is all inning 4% bonds for 30 years...
T is about to hit 2008 lows, only a few more %, while INTC is at 2014 lows. There has to be a good play here
I just commented I’m buying shares of intc.. it’s so damn low and with that dividend
Can’t decide if I should back up the truck on TQQQ or INTC
INTC value trap where does that come from? This company is in the US it'll go up plus once the world gets back in order it'll pop.
Buying some INTC shares for those sweet dividends and a turnaround play. 🤑🤑
I bought more GOOGL to strengthen my position, saving some cash to buy more if it continues to fall.
I have orders set to buy more INTC if it hits a bit lower.
I bought into WBA as I've been eyeing it for years, targeting this price point. I'm saving some cash to buy some more.
I have two orders set for ALLY if it hits lower price points.
I play the long game.
I can't help but feel pity to all the TA idiots who keep drawing lines with their mouths full of crayons and donkey shit trying to find inverse head and shoulders, long opportunities and such.
how did that work out this whole year? Let's keep buying INTC META dips our entire lives! /s
Keeping with the tradition of what INTC has become, Mobileye IPO is more likely to be delayed. Even if they break tradition, the market is heading in the wrong direction for IPOs to be successful in near future. We can consider it as a catalyst when we reach close actual dates.
As for Gelsinger, he hasn't been able to turn things around in last year and half. That's a long time-frame already. I think the main hurdle is their corporate culture, and that's a huge problem that can't be fixed quickly without some really harsh steps.
It's not about betting at all. Betting would be to jump into INTC right now, hoping that they will be able to regain their server market share again. AMD isn't showing any signs of weakness or slowing down right now.
All I am saying is that it's better to wait and see if INTC shows progress in the right direction. Then, I would gladly switch my investment to INTC.
Thanks for the response. Mobileye will IPO at some point likely next year and I view that as a catalyst for upward price action on INTC. I like that the current CEO is a Intel veteran who left and had a productive stint at VMware.
You are right that they are behind the competition on very capital intensive fab processes.
Respectfully I also view AMD as a good company however with the caveat that you are betting they keep making great decisions to justify the stock price.
I have been following INTC for a long time. They lost their way about seven/eight years ago, and that started with their corporate culture. They themselves created an opportunity for AMD to start taking away server market share.
INTC is currently positioned very poorly. They need several quarters to get their new fab units constructed and come online. Then they are a few generations behind their competition on the fab process itself. That will take additional quarters. Then they need to come up with something that will slow down AMD eating into their server market share.
You buy in when they show sign of reversing the trend, not before, especially not this early. If you buy now, you are just "hoping" for a turn around, with no solid evidence it will happen. For all we know, they might be cutting their dividends in near future.
Till then AMD is a far better choice, and you can always switch when you see the tide turning again.
As for GOOGL, GOOGL is a ad revenue generating giant. Almost everything they do is about ads. I have no idea how that will play out in next few months with increasing inflation and recession.
I like intc but the PE is a backwards looking metric. Intc is facing a lot of headwinds so pe could go up a lot even if the stock price stays the same
Pretty sure I'm gonna let INTC value trap me soon. It's pretty hot right now.
Computer algos are having so much fun right now. I bought itm PLTR and INTC calls for 2024. This 0.75 hike is nothing. We will moon. Bears r fk
I don't know what this wall of text means. I'll buy some more INTC.
Hahahaha. Now I know you have no idea what you’re talking about with regards to AMD or the chip industry at large. Spinning off GF saved AMD from bankruptcy and allowed them to be in the position they’re currently in. The second GF said they weren’t going to compete beyond 12nm+ and released AMD from it’s obligation to purchase the majority of their chips from them and allowed them to move their business over to TSM is what has catapulted AMD chips into the lead in almost every metric from PC to datacenter chips. About all INTC has left is mobile chips, and even that moat is drying fast.
I’m not sure how you’re under any impression the likes of AAPL, NVDA and the other big players are going to just move away from TSM in favor of antiquated INTC chip making. That’s just straight up copium. It ain’t happening. You said so yourself, INTC went with their tail between their legs to TSM because they CAN’T make the bleeding edge chips needed to stay competitive.
INTC has been talking about revamping their fabs with the latest and greatest in terms of lithography since Brian Krzanich. They may be starting to, but they’re 5 years late. Their “war chest” is dwindling. Their margins are under pressure and their legacy business will only carry them so far. Go ahead and latch on to that boomer stock and hold it close. Enjoy losing money.
INTC promised their gpu and never did produce. Those are worthless now esp with decline in cryptomining
Do a little research on their actual product stack and how it compares to AMD’s - especially in the datacenter space. It’s a pretty ugly picture for INTC with no signs of reversing. In fact, share of datacenter it’s accelerating in favor of AMD.
Enjoy that 5% divi when the stock price continues to crater 10% yoy. We’re not all “haters” as you’d like to imagine to convince yourself your tenuous at best DD is solid. $20B chip fab does not equal $100B in value. The first fabs won’t even be operational until 2025-2026. They eventually plan to build more fabs at the site, and it might, possibly, eventually be $100B when the other 6 fabs are built by 2035 (or beyond), but who knows if that will actually come to fruition.
In the meantime, enjoy that divi as they bleed cash, the stock price continues to falter, and they start to cut that bloated pig of a dividend when they can’t borrow any more money to pay for it.
I used to love INTC, but they have really lost their way. It isn't a recent event. I noticed the signs about seven years ago, and I switched over my investment to AMD back then. Things have only gone from bad to worse for INTC since then.
Yes, I get it that INTC is building new fab units and whatnot, but it will take several quarters for them to become operational. Then they will still have to catch up to the fabrication process on which they are a few generations behind competition. That will take additional quarters.
I don't think it is the right time to invest in INTC. They might very well be cutting dividends in near future. The time to jump back in would be (after they have the new fab units fully operational and have caught up to the competition in fab process) when they are able to stop losing server market share to AMD. If you enter before that, you are just "hoping" for a return to glory without any real evidence to back it up.
Just my two cents on the subject. Best of luck brother!
i fuckin wish how many chips does intc make in taiwan now?
boring shares dollar cost average
there's no easy money coming
INTC At the money LEAPS
Just buy me a steak dinner later 🥩
Because INTC has entered the chat and gonna wipe everyone's asses!
Can’t address everything but I’ll say this.
The piece I watched about INTC blamed the vertical integration retool as you mentioned and the belief on managements part that AMD couldn’t reach them
Those are valid points concerning market changes and costs. It’s why I personally think the future of NVDA is more towards AI, Data, and Simulation/Physics.
Then also yes you don’t need a 4080 to play candy crush but as you mentioned that’s more QCOM area than NVDA but games like Star Citizen? Give me two 4080s, gaming is expensive
Yes, the lack of ARM deal sucks.
We’ll have to agree to disagree then NVDA has lost its value.
Yup, this was is the best long term way although difficult (time wise) to build up enough shares to start selling CCs. Keep in mind, selling CCs will result in some taxation and in case you get assigned, you start over. Not a bad plan per se but their is risk. Selling far OTM calls is best but lower premiums…
I hold VOO 40%, SCHD 10%, the next 40% is UNH, WM, MSFT, V, GOOG, HD, AMZN, INTC :(, and trade another 10% on speculation stocks/options SOFI, SPCE, VORB, Etc.
I wouldn't say INTC were complacent, as much as they just chose the wrong strategy and since they were vertically intergrated it bit them hard in the ass. Namely INTC failed miserably when it came to the 7nm processor. As a result since they were vertically integrated going back to the drawing board basically killed them, since that meant they had to re-tool the fabs (which they owned and operated) which not only takes years, but costs a shit ton of money.
AMD didn't have to deal with any of that, TSMC makes their chips.
It got so bad, that Intel is now going to TSMC for chip manufacturing. Nvidia is attempting a similar strategy by releasing the Founders Editions and the failed aquistion of ARM.
The problem is that Nvidia may be running into serious issues with distribution. Huge issues actually.
For one, the allocation of resources traditionally would fall on the shoulders of the AIBs. With one of the biggest and most well known AIBs out of the picture (EVGA) they'll have to pick up the slack when it not only comes to that, but also dealing with the end product experience.
While before they had to deal with the Founder Editions, which was a premium product, they now will have to deal with a larger swath. That means higher than anticipated costs in manufacturing (energy prices going up, rare earth minerals are more in demand) and also in distribution. Not just with retailers and vendors either, we are talking about everything from warranties, to bugs and defects.
While before they could easily offload this to their AIBs, if they become the main source of manufacturing then they will also have to take this part of the business on. As seen by the exit of EVGA more AIBs may see this as a moment of leverage to move against Nvidia as well, which means that Nvidia may have to either give up control to the AIBs which can translate to less profits.
Finally, the AI and data center markets are largely going to require cheap chips, not expensive chips. It's what made Nvidia so good at AI in the first place. AI requires a lot of simple calculations done very, very quickly. Similar to bitcoin mining. Which again, is why GPUs are so excellent. They are great for executing simple commands, at very large volumes, at very high speeds.
The question is will the market want to spend a premium for a card/chip that can do that? Or will another manufacturer that is a bit slower, that can handle maybe fewer processes become more relevant.
Don't forget, AMD still isn't the fastest, Intel is, but plenty of people like the price point, the easy upgradibilty of the echo system around the CPU and are perfectly having a slower chip with more cores to deal with the the tasks they have.
Which is why the ARM deal was such a huge deal. They would have basically owned the low end and the high end of the market. Hence why it was rejected as well.
So Nvidia has lost its value for good reason, also similar to Intel.
Leaning too heavily on vertical integration and the failure to implement their strategy being the main ones. Same things Intel did.
Also, and this is a big one, cloud computing is more and more viable and mobile gaming is the largest sectors of the gaming market. Meaning that if Nvidia can't penetrate those markets then the decline is inevitable.
You don't need an Nvidia chip to play Candy Crush (which is one of the most profitable games still today, literally over a billion dollars per year). What you do need is a cheaper chip, like the Snapdragon, which what they were aiming for with ARM. Which failed.
2k shares of $INTC 10x $30c for 11/18
Thank mẹ later
So there’s a couple questions I’ll try to answer
AWS is about cloud computing, not developing the hardware itself. Amazon has to purchase those servers to provide that service
Again AWS is not a hardware segment of Amazon. They don’t have that manufacturing capability or probably even the talent (money can only go so far)
I also own AMD. The thing is AMD and NVDA is a duopoly when it comes to GPUs now.
But this also why both companies are competing in AI, simulation, and data. AMD didn’t have that capability until they acquired Xilinx (however it’s spelled) and that was fairly recently
NVDA has some incredible engineers that generally pioneer the graphic and physics space of computing. It’s hard to get that type of talent AND the manufacturing infrastructure to make it a reality
It’s really only been the last 5-10 years that AMD has challenged them and in my opinion, they’ve been playing catch-up.
As a side note, AMD was able to dethrone INTC in CPUs because they became complacent. That’s not the case here with NVDA in any segment.