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Q4 2011 · Earnings Call Transcript

Mar 2, 2012

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Atlantic Tele-Network's Q4 earnings conference call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, today's conference is being recorded.

Operator

I'd now like to turn the conference over to your host, Mr. Justin Benincasa, Chief Financial Officer.

Please go ahead.

Justin Benincasa

Thanks, operator. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us on our call to review fourth quarter and full year 2011 results.

With me here is Michael Prior, ATN's President and Chief Executive Officer. And as usual, during the call, I'll be covering the relevant financial information and certain operational data, and Michael will be providing an update on the business.

Justin Benincasa

Before I turn the call over to Michael for his comments, I'd just like to point out that this call and our press release contain forward-looking statements concerning our current expectations, objectives and underlying assumptions regarding our future operating results and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those described.

Justin Benincasa

Also, in an effort to provide useful information to investors, our comments today include non-GAAP financial measures. For details on those measures and reconciliations to comparable GAAP measures, and for further information regarding the factors that may affect our operating -- future operating results, please refer to our earnings release on our website at atni.com or to the 8-K filing provided to the SEC.

Justin Benincasa

And with that, I'd like to turn the call over to Michael for his comments.

Michael Prior

Thank you, Justin. Good morning, everyone.

We've -- let me, first, give you an overall view of the quarter, and then I'll get into the metrics and other details from operations before turning it back to Justin.

Michael Prior

So as we said in our press release, we were pleased with our overall results for the fourth quarter and the year. Although much work remains to be done, it was nice to see the growth in consolidated EBITDA over 2011 -- sorry, 2010 that is.

And we're glad to have come through in good shape from a challenging year with one large integration project often talked about, the acquired Alltel business complete; and one smaller integration project, the Bermuda merger, off to a strong start. As a result of those projects, we have exited 2011 with better earnings and cash flow potential, and the fourth quarter appears to show the beginning of that potential being realized.

Of course, there's further progress to be made and challenges to overcome, but we have a good list of priorities to focus on in 2012. And those are

Stabilization of our U.S. wireless subscriber base; reducing expenses and improving operating efficiency in U.S.

wireless; and as always, exploring opportunities for growth, both domestically and internationally.

Of course, there's further progress to be made and challenges to overcome, but we have a good list of priorities to focus on in 2012. And those are

So now let me get into some operating details, first, on U.S. wireless.

On the retail side, subscriber metrics improved over a tough third quarter. To start with, postpaid and overall subscriber churn declined significantly.

As you could see in the release, postpaid churn for the quarter was 2.55%, down from 2.97% in the third quarter and 3.18% in the fourth quarter of 2010.

Of course, there's further progress to be made and challenges to overcome, but we have a good list of priorities to focus on in 2012. And those are

Blended subscriber churn was also down at 3.25%, it was down from 4.05% for the third quarter and 4.48% a year ago. We believe the decrease in churn was largely the result of the completion of most conversion-related activities in the third quarter, and ARPU also climbed for the quarter.

Of course, there's further progress to be made and challenges to overcome, but we have a good list of priorities to focus on in 2012. And those are

Postpaid ARPU was $54.43, that's up from $52.68 in the third quarter, and $53.71 in the fourth quarter. Those are -- I should say, that's $54.43.

Blended subscriber ARPU showed even greater improvement from $47.51 in the prior quarter and $45.88 a year ago to $48.46 in the current quarter. And the increase in ARPU over the third quarter was mainly due to the reinstatement of certain usage billing, which was suspended for the better part of 3 months as part of our billing system conversion.

Of course, there's further progress to be made and challenges to overcome, but we have a good list of priorities to focus on in 2012. And those are

ARPU is also helped by continued adoption of smartphones and data plans. Going forward, however, we may stay at these levels for some time, as our new best-value plans tend to replace higher-priced feature and smartphone plans with lower priced plans.

Of course, there's further progress to be made and challenges to overcome, but we have a good list of priorities to focus on in 2012. And those are

Gross additions were up from the third quarter, mainly due to growth in prepaid additions. Coupled with the lower churn, this caused net subscriber losses to drop dramatically from 46,000 in the prior quarter and nearly 49,000 a year ago to 10,000 for this quarter.

However, we were still a little bit disappointed to experience overall subscriber losses for the quarter. And we are heavily focused on stopping that decline in 2012.

Of course, there's further progress to be made and challenges to overcome, but we have a good list of priorities to focus on in 2012. And those are

On the prepaid side, we launched our new best value plans in October, $45 unlimited talk and text. And the offerings found favor quickly and contributed to the modest net growth in prepaid subscribers in the fourth quarter.

We launched a similar best value plan for postpaid just before Thanksgiving, so a little later in the quarter.

Of course, there's further progress to be made and challenges to overcome, but we have a good list of priorities to focus on in 2012. And those are

But it's always more of a challenge to get the message out as quickly to the Postpaid segment. We hope to do better as 2012 progresses in that area, because we believe the value proposition is very strong.

And it's really, really a question of getting the message into the market.

Of course, there's further progress to be made and challenges to overcome, but we have a good list of priorities to focus on in 2012. And those are

On the wholesale U.S. wireless revenue front.

The roaming revenues were down, as expected, from the seasonally high third quarter, or higher than we had projected for both the quarter and the year. This is largely due to the very rapid growth of data volumes, as experienced by most other operators.

Of course, there's further progress to be made and challenges to overcome, but we have a good list of priorities to focus on in 2012. And those are

Moving onto international operations. In International Wireless, our wireless subscribers, including some fixed wireless broadband subscribers were down 3% versus Q4 2010 and Q3 2011.

Gains in Bermuda were offset by the loss of mainly very low ARPU, in fact, probably unprofitable 2G data customers in Guyana, as we shifted our pricing and our data offering.

Of course, there's further progress to be made and challenges to overcome, but we have a good list of priorities to focus on in 2012. And those are

The overall result was a 44% growth in revenue year-on-year, although we saw a 5% decrease from the third quarter, partly due to seasonality. And we continue to be pleased with the progress of the Bermuda merger integration activities and the work that we've done so far to harness synergies.

Of course, there's further progress to be made and challenges to overcome, but we have a good list of priorities to focus on in 2012. And those are

Lastly, our wireline operations, both internationally and domestically, had a 9% revenue increase this quarter year-on-year. This was driven by a number of smaller factors, including increased international broadband revenue.

Of course, there's further progress to be made and challenges to overcome, but we have a good list of priorities to focus on in 2012. And those are

So in summary, this was a quarter of solid EBITDA performance, particularly when you consider the seasonality factors associated with retail wireless. Our domestic subscriber metrics are going in the right direction.

We have seen growth in our international wireless business. And as I noted earlier, we are now at a better position to explore growth opportunities, both domestically and internationally.

The object of this game, of course, is to increase cash flows over time. And as Justin will get into a little more detail in his remarks, I think this 2011 showed we're still doing just that.

Of course, there's further progress to be made and challenges to overcome, but we have a good list of priorities to focus on in 2012. And those are

Lastly, probably more important, really, than returns is some of the things that real life interjects into our business. And for that reason, I thought I'd just take a minute to address the tornadoes that tore through parts of the Midwest this week.

One of the towns particularly hard hit was Harrisburg, Illinois, which is a community we serve. Our store was destroyed.

So we were very fortunate that it struck before business hours and that none of our employees were hurt. Unfortunately, as you probably know from the news stories, there were a number of fatalities and injuries in the area, as well as the extensive property disruption.

And I wanted to say that all of our thoughts are with the people of Harrisburg, particularly those who lost loved ones.

Of course, there's further progress to be made and challenges to overcome, but we have a good list of priorities to focus on in 2012. And those are

So with that, I'd like to turn it back to Justin to provide some financial information for the fourth quarter.

Justin Benincasa

Okay. Thanks, Michael.

Just jumping right into it. Revenues for the quarter totaled $182.9 million, which was a decrease of $11.8 million or 6% from the same quarter in 2010.

This resulted primarily from a decline in our U.S. wireless retail revenues due to subscriber attrition in 2011, which was partially offset by an increase in our wholesale and international wireless revenues.

Total wireless revenues for the quarter were $153.9 million or 84% of total revenues, and our U.S. wireless service revenues were $134.4 million or 73% of total revenues.

Justin Benincasa

Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $40.7 million, up $9.4 million or 30% over the same period last year. Included in this quarter's operating expenses of $172 million was noncash stock-based compensation expense of $617,000, $107,000 of acquisition-related expenses and a noncash $2.4 million goodwill impairment charge on one of our smaller Island Wireless properties.

Our U.S. wireless segment accounted for 78% of adjusted EBITDA and 74% of operating expenses.

Justin Benincasa

Moving down to net income. Earnings for the quarter were $4.1 million, or $0.27 per share, which included a $0.16 per share charge, representing the goodwill impairment I just mentioned.

Our effective tax rate for the quarter was 57% compared to 48% for the year overall. And since the goodwill impairment was in a 0 income tax jurisdiction, there is no tax benefit associated with it, and thus it impacted our effective tax rate by 11% for the quarter and 2% for the year.

Justin Benincasa

Turning to the balance sheet. As of December 31, we had cash balances of $48.7 million and total debt outstanding of $282.2 million, which leaves us with a leverage multiple of 1.75x and 1.5x on a net debt basis.

This compares to 2.2x and 1.9x, respectively, at the end of 2010.

Justin Benincasa

I think it's noteworthy that we will, while we reduced leverage in 2011, at the same time, we increased our cash dividend payments by 9%, which is our 13th consecutive year of dividend increases.

Justin Benincasa

Net cash provided by operating activities was $47.9 million in the quarter and $132 million for the full year of 2011. Capital expenditures totaled $35.5 million for the quarter, of which approximately $24 million was incurred by our U.S.

wireless segment and $7 million by our international telephony segment. For 2012, we anticipate capital expenditures to be between $90 million and $110 million, with our U.S.

wireless segment accounting for between $50 million and $65 million of that total.

Justin Benincasa

Some additional operating data for the quarter. We ended the quarter with 778 roam-only base stations, which include 128 from the Alltel acquisition and 650 in our legacy markets.

Justin Benincasa

In our legacy wholesale markets, MOUs were down 19% from Q3, which is historically our highest quarter due to seasonality and down 15% from Q4 2010. Data traffic was down 10% from Q3, but up 50% from the same period last year.

In International wireless, we ended the quarter with a total of 321,700 subscribers, of which 272,500 were from Guyana and 49,200 were in the Islands.

Justin Benincasa

In our U.S. wireless segment, business lines increased 12% from a year ago and 6% from the third quarter, ending the quarter at 56,700 lines.

Justin Benincasa

Internationally, we ended the quarter with 152,300 access lines.

Justin Benincasa

And with that, operator, we'll like to turn the call over to questions.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Ric Prentiss of Raymond James.

Ric Prentiss

A couple of questions, if I could. First, obviously, nice to have the business through the transition period for the full quarter.

When you look at the margins in the fourth quarter, nice margins. Historically, fourth quarter would be a lower margins season because of the big holiday selling season.

As you look into 2012, what are your thoughts on the U.S. Wireless margins, given what you achieved in the fourth quarter?

Michael Prior

I think that you're absolutely right that the fourth quarter on the retail side, definitely, hits margins a bit. With our business, it's interesting because you do have to take into account that the wholesale side of the U.S.

Wireless business tends to increase margins, particularly in the third quarter. But I think overall, we think that the U.S.

wireless margins should go up from the fourth quarter a little bit, not dramatically because of that combination of circumstances.

Ric Prentiss

And so the thoughts of getting into that kind of mid-20s margin is still very much achievable, it sounds like?

Justin Benincasa

Yes, yes. I think -- we look at the whole U.S.

Wireless segment, and our third quarter is always our seasonally high. It will be a bit north of that, and fourth quarter will be a little south of that, so...

Ric Prentiss

Okay. Second question is on your CapEx guidance.

You mentioned the U.S. Wireless side be 50 to 65.

A lot of discussion on LTE from a lot of different carriers. Even the other day, when Telus reported, they mentioned that they're not going to launch LTE commercially in '12, but it sure signaled that they were probably spending some LTE money in '12 to be ready for commercial launch in '13.

What are your thoughts on LTE? How much you think it will cost to upgrade your network, with an overlay I assume on it?

Michael Prior

Yes, I think that we haven't made any definitive decision or announcement to launch LTE at a particular time. But as we've talked about before, we're certainly looking at it very closely.

I really think, every carrier is. And so we're no different than -- in Telus in that respect.

And I look at their numbers and their broad thoughts and on the costs and that are consistent with what we're seeing, so -- and the other thing to keep in mind is that we -- if we don't go LTE by a certain timeframe, you could have not a big disparity in cost just because of the cost is continuing to add data capacity and some other related costs. So we don't see it as a huge, huge onetime event in capital spending when we do go that direction.

And we think if likely, we will.

Ric Prentiss

But there's nothing explicitly in the 2012 guidance for it?

Justin Benincasa

Yes, no, there -- we definitely have a placeholder in there for it. As Michael said, it's either you have to do data capacity expansion in the network or start moving in that direction, but there's definitely a placeholder in that guidance for us for moving in that direction.

Ric Prentiss

I guess, not explicit, but implicit kind of in there.

Michael Prior

Right. I think what we’re saying is that the numbers wouldn't be so big as to swing it.

And so we don't -- we haven't committed to go LTE, so we don't have a definite cost. So there's always room for some change.

But we're not seeing a pricing or the cost really drive us out of that range of guidance we've given.

Ric Prentiss

And as far as an outer region strategy for LTE, is that important? Are you already working on it?

Michael Prior

It's very important. I think it's very important, because there's a couple of reasons that do LTE.

Some -- probably, the primary reason for a lot of carriers, including ourselves, is capacity management. Having a more efficient use of your spectrum and your network.

But you, obviously, have the marketing side as well. And if you are going to offer LTE devices, it's a lot more attractive if your customers have the ability to use them out of territory.

So every -- it's a long way of saying, all of the regional carriers that I am aware of, we're all looking at what's our national plan, how do we go about that.

Ric Prentiss

And what options are looking attractive or being considered?

Michael Prior

Well, I think there's been a -- I think we're considering all options you can imagine probably you've read. I don't want to tilt towards anyone at this time.

But there is a number of possibilities out there that are being talked about. And you also have the potential, which is less attractive -- but you have the potential to not necessarily roam in a 4G situation.

You have the drop down potential. And if you look at what the experience is for a lot of carriers, even the very biggest, that's often your experience.

Operator

Our next question comes from Barry McCarver of Stephens.

Barry McCarver

Nice improvement in those wireless operating metrics. So I guess, going back to -- the prepaid gross adds in the fourth quarter were up very strong.

Can we talk about a little bit more detail on the value plans that you implemented there to help on that front?

Michael Prior

Yes. I mean, I think we think that our plans, both prepaid and postpaid now -- very good in comparison to the competition.

There -- on the prepaid side, there probably are some even deeper value plans out there from some of the MVNOs, in particular, but it really closed the gap significantly for us. And it's been well received.

I mean, we really weren't playing very strongly in prepaid for our pre-transition time period. And so that was one of the things we wanted to get back after.

And I think the other thing that's probably significant is unlike many other carriers, and indeed what Alltel has done in the past, our best-value plans for prepaid and postpaid are very closely aligned, and so it's -- we've really designed it so that somebody coming in who can't really qualify or -- for postpaid has a very easy path into prepaid that is easy to compare on an apples-to-apples basis, easy for the salesperson to help them with and vice versa on the postpaid side -- sorry, on the prepaid side, going the other direction. So if they want to kind of sell off and buy up a little more features and ability and a cheaper handset, there's an easy path into postpaid.

Barry McCarver

And I think you mentioned that the value plans for the postpaid side were implemented a little bit later in 4Q, and you were a little earlier on the prepaid. If that's right, now that we're a couple of months into 2012, do you have any idea kind of what the result is?

Are you seeing that nice improvement on the postpaid as well, like you did last quarter on pre?

Michael Prior

Yes. I mean, we don't tend to count it too much about the third quarter.

But what -- but I think, at least what I can say is that it is definitely a lag in postpaid to get people to understand. And I'm not -- we're not ready to declare that, that's arrived.

I think, we -- I'll just repeat, I think we have a very strong offering. We haven't yet seen it resonate to the level we think it should.

And we're hopeful to change -- that we can change that going forward.

Barry McCarver

Okay. Okay, that's helpful.

And then just lastly -- and I think at the end of your prepared comments you talked about looking again at growth opportunities, both domestically and internationally, and then, Justin talked about the low leverage on the balance sheet. Would the Alltel transition complete an integration there?

Are you back in acquisition mode?

Michael Prior

I think we're in acquisition mode in the sense that we're -- we actively look at opportunities as people follow us. While that could mean we don't do anything for a long time, though, if things -- if nothing meets our criteria.

There are -- I will say, it does seem that like there's a lot going on in our industry right now, both bad and good, and there's some dislocation. It feels fairly dynamic in one sense.

And I think that often can present opportunity on the M&A side. On the flip side, it is -- the world has been consolidating in our space for a while, which means the overall number of opportunities is down.

Operator

Our next question comes from Chris King of Stifel, Nicolaus.

Christopher King

Just wanted to follow up with -- get your broad sense on the current M&A environment. We've, obviously, had a couple of transactions, at least rumored here, over the last, really, couple of weeks or so and several related to smaller niche-type players, which you guys have historically, at least, had some interest in.

So just was wondering if I could get your take on kind of the general M&A environment that's out there right now, whether you've seen a change over the last 3 to 6 months or so in terms of activity picking up and how you guys view that going forward?

Michael Prior

I think it's obvious that the activity is picking up. I agree with that, Chris.

It does seem that way. I think there's a couple of things going on.

I wouldn't want to comment on any one transaction, because we don't really have any insight to motives on any side. But it looks like there's a continued -- because of the rapid, rapid growth in demand for mobile data, that caused a lot of carriers to rethink their future plans, and that sometimes leads you to strategic solution.

Sometimes it's partnerships, sometimes it's acquisitions, sometimes it's sales. But I think -- I'm not saying anything that you probably don't all know, but that seems to be what's driving it.

And I think it does help that the economy has kind of moved on to another stage, and there's a little more -- the capital markets are a little more open. People are willing to be a little more aggressive.

But I would say, it's probably the former reason that's driving more of it, particularly in the U.S. So just to repeat what I said earlier, in response to Barry McCarver's question is I think that we like activity and a dynamic market, because that tends to create opportunity.

Doesn't always, but we like that situation better than the very quiet situation we had before.

Operator

Our next question comes from Hamed Khorsand of BWS Financial.

Hamed Khorsand

First off, I wanted to ask you guys. Is the Guyana wireless profitable?

I mean, the subscription levels are now at the lowest in more than 2 years?

Michael Prior

We don't separate that out, but we think that business is healthier than it's been in 2 years. I would say the revenue has been growing.

It's really -- remember, that is an almost completely prepaid market. And the -- as I alluded to in the comments, the subscriber -- most of that subscriber change was effective.

We had, for years, allowed customers to use GPRS data virtually free. And it really was very little cost to us.

It was almost a marketing expense. And the demand for data is no different there than anywhere else.

We moved up the data capacities, and the devices that we're selling. We launched BlackBerry, then we needed to change our -- the way we are treating data when we went to more of the smart phone world in that market.

So I think it's very important there to follow the revenue line a lot more closely than the subscriber line.

Hamed Khorsand

All right. And then, how much of an impact did the smartphone subsidiaries have an operating numbers this year in the U.S.

Wireless?

Justin Benincasa

Yes. With smartphones -- you subsidize more in the smartphones, so it's definitely going to impact margins, so -- but I don't have specifics as to how much that did to margins, but it definitely does have an impact.

Michael Prior

Yes. As smartphone -- we're like every other carrier.

As the smartphones, as a percentage of new sales, continue to be at a high level, that definitely impacts margins.

Hamed Khorsand

Okay. And the last thing I wanted to touch on was, what is your expectation for the roaming business this year, given the increase in base stations?

And then the other part was, would the revenue increase mean a higher EBITDA margin?

Michael Prior

Well, I'll take the first one, Justin. There's a -- I don't think we think there's anything driven by number of base stations in the 2012 roaming.

I think that the dynamics there will really be more about to what level data traffic in particular goes, what happens to voice at the same time. And then we always have some overbuild risk in all of our roaming areas and to what extent that occurs.

So it's -- I don't think the factors have changed. And then, certainly, we don't see it as a growth year for that wholesale revenue.

Operator

Our next question comes from Anil Gupta of Imperial Capital.

Anil Gupta

So I'm just wanted to see what kind of insight you're having into your consumers. Obviously, the improvement in the subscriber loss is very encouraging.

Wanted to see what sort of impact you feel that the economy is having? Or do you think that the overall improvement in subscriber losses is mostly by these revised pricing plans?

And then, any sort of trend or any sort of commentary you can provide on what you're seeing so far in one quarter, just in terms of your markets and kind of the economies there?

Michael Prior

Sure. I think that while the economy is better, I don't think we believe that, really, any of that movement was related to macroeconomic changes.

The areas we're in were pretty hard hit by the recession. We're talking about very rural areas, for the most part.

Small towns, there's always exceptions, there are always some towns and communities that are doing better and some that are worse. But I don't think anybody feels like it's rocking and rolling now.

And I think those areas tend to trail a lot of the metro areas in rebounding. So for that reason -- and then the last thing I'd say is, if you think about where our offerings went, we're really chasing value-conscious customers.

And that's what we think we tapped into. So if anything, it might be a sign that people are still really hurting, in terms of the plans they've chosen.

Anil Gupta

Okay. And then in terms of the current handset lineup, just what's like your percentage of handset options that are currently smartphones?

And are you seeing any sort of major trends in what people are picking up? So I think, historically, you've usually disclosed the percent of new sales that were smartphones.

And sorry, if I missed that earlier.

Justin Benincasa

Yes, I mean, I think the percent of new sales is kind of consistent with what we said in the past quarters. It's -- we're roughly in the upgrades and in the adds of 50%.

So the...

Michael Prior

And I think we ended the year at 36% of the base mark.

Justin Benincasa

Right. So we're still moving upward there.

Michael Prior

But in answer to your question in the lineup, I think we have a very competitive lineup. We do not have the lineup of the top couple of carriers, but we tend to get almost every device they have or very similar devices within a quarter or two.

And so I think what we feel, other than we don't carry the iPhone, as we've talked about before. But other than that, I think we have a very competitive lineup.

And I think what happens is people often, we have found, come in for a lower and kind of entry-level smartphone and still solid device and then. And that sort of advertisement tends to draw them in, but they often buy up when they come in and they look at all the -- and will get a much more advanced Android device, for example.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Ric Prentiss of Raymond James.

Ric Prentiss

I wanted to ask couple of follow-ups now everyone else was through. First, is there any exposure to the USF access reform that's been going on at the FCC in the state level, either on the U.S.

Wireless side. Any of the stuff going on at sovereign?

I'm just trying to think of what might happen there?

Michael Prior

Yes, we have some exposure, but it's very small. Our high-cost USF, which is what is being affected by this, I think there's a 20% a year phase-out from your end-of-year 2011 levels.

And so that part, we certainly share with everybody else some impact. But again, for us, it wasn't -- it's not very big.

We had about $1.3 million in total USF revenues in the quarter. And so it's not as significant.

And then there's a chance that the mobility fund, broadband connector, whatever it is called, will be more enticing to us than it seems right now. Right now, we're skeptical as to its value, and we think what it probably means is we will not be going into some of the more remote areas that we used to do and some of the more rural areas, and we'll have to be careful there.

But in terms of downside from where we are, there's not a big impact.

Ric Prentiss

And when you look at the CapEx for 2012, it looks like the non-U.S. has got a pretty good chunk in it.

Any particular large projects or a little more focus on maybe where you are spending that money? And what kind of returns you expect to get?

Justin Benincasa

Yes, probably the biggest chunk of that is in Guyana, and there's several initiatives down there in terms of data upgrades on their networks and fiber or stuff like that. But they're all pretty good returns.

I will say, I'm watching that real careful, and they all make a lot of sense. And we feel good about what's going on down there in terms of data growth, broadband subs, et cetera.

Michael Prior

And I would add, we don't -- we're very cautious about how far forward we commit. So if -- we try to be able to look at these things quarterly and if we see something change in the regulatory environment or the consumer environment that changes our assumptions, we try to make an adjustment very quickly.

Justin Benincasa

The other thing, too, I should point out, is that in that number, there's about $15 million of stimulus projects that we talked about in the past. In some of those, we thought we'd have more complete in this year that have kind of moved -- or in '11 that are moving into '12.

But that's also a big piece of it.

Ric Prentiss

That's what I kind of wondered -- I thought Guyana would have some, but the stimulus, I thought, would have a little bit more. And what's the reimbursement kind of flow to that?

And how you book it?

Michael Prior

You book it. It's a net.

I mean, it's pretty fast. We don't actually -- if we're organizing, doing what we're supposed to do, they reimburse us, they actually pay.

We're not out of pocket and then get reimbursed, which is the good news. And then you really just book it as a net CapEx.

Ric Prentiss

So the $700 million is a net number.

Michael Prior

Yes, it's a net number. That's our piece.

Ric Prentiss

Okay. And then you'd expect there should be some revenue coming from building out $15 million of net CapEx?

Justin Benincasa

There is. It probably moves more.

We're building a lot in the year, so we'll see some sort of latter half of the year, but probably, more significantly into '13.

Michael Prior

And then, Ric, the returns on that continue to look pretty good. I mean, you're not -- I don't want to use the term [ boffel ], but I will just, just because that wouldn't have qualified for stimulus.

But there's -- but it's solid return. It is like all those fiber capacity, wholesale capacity, which is largely what it is businesses and that it ramps over time, part of the value in the return is you get obvious, great margin expansion, as revenue ramps.

And it feels like a very secure, a very stable revenue. So it's a combination of those 2 things.

Ric Prentiss

And one of the other areas of future spending might be spectrum, lot of options going on, a lot of discussions swirling around. And what are your thoughts about your current spectrum position and what might be attractive, either to buy spectrum or to work wholesale with somebody?

Michael Prior

Yes. It's interesting.

There's a lot of -- as you say, there's a lot going there, both bad and good. I would say, from a carrier's perspective, more bad than good.

But the government is making a lot of noises about trying to help there in various ways. And we are in a pretty good position in most areas with the spectrum we have because of the fact that we're in such rural areas and such low population density.

So while our spectrum, which is a minimum of 25 megahertz, is -- might be very thin holding in a suburban urban environment, in our areas it's a pretty good amount of spectrum. That said, it's -- at some level of cost, more spectrum will reduce other capital costs, operating costs and improve customer experience.

So we're always on the lookout for it, both in territory and sometimes, out of territory, particularly if it's adjacent. The only -- the problem is, some of the spectrum on the market still suffers from a question as to what will -- will the band be supported, heavily supported?

So what goes in the devices? What the big equipment manufacturers are rolling out first and supporting really drives a lot of decisions and for smaller carriers like ourselves, we have to look to larger carriers and what they're doing and either partner with them or follow them.

Ric Prentiss

So is there a thought that -- any spectrum activity by you guys in '12, or is it more a '13, '14 event?

Michael Prior

I think we'll continue to be opportunistic about spectrum, Rick. So there doesn't feel like vast amounts out there in 2012.

I think that probably will require government action. But there might be some smaller opportunities where the price is reasonable for what our need is.

Operator

I'm showing no further questions at this time. And I'd like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks.

Justin Benincasa

Thank you, everybody, and we'll talk to you again in another quarter. Take care.

Operator

Ladies and gentleman, this does conclude today's conference. You may all disconnect and have a wonderful day.

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