Nov 9, 2017
Executives
Raul Pascual - Director of Investor Relations Pedro Heilbron - Chief Executive Officer Jose Montero - Chief Financial Officer
Analysts
Michael Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Securities Savanthi Syth - Raymond James & Associates Stephen Trent - Citigroup Inc. Joseph DeNardi - Stifel Financial Corp.
Matt Morris - Wolfe Research, LLC Raymond Wong - Evercore Partners Daniel McKenzie - Buckingham Research Group Inc Lucas Barbosa - UBS Investment Bank
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to Copa Holdings Third Quarter Earnings Call.
During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. Afterwards, we will conduct a question-and-answer session.
[Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this call is being webcast and recorded on November 9, 2017. Now, I will turn the call - now, I will turn the conference call over to Raul Pascual, Director of Investor Relations.
Sir, you may begin.
Raul Pascual
Thank you, Gigi, and welcome, everyone, to our third quarter earnings call. Joining us today are Pedro Heilbron, CEO of Copa Holdings; and Jose Montero, our CFO.
First, Pedro will start with our third quarter highlights; followed by Jose, who will discuss our financial results. Immediately after, we will open up the call for questions from analysts.
Copa Holdings' financial reports have been prepared in accordance with International Financial Reporting Standards. In today's call, we will discuss non-IFRS financial measures.
A reconciliation of non-IFRS to IFRS financial measures can be found in our earnings release, which has been posted on the company's website, copa.com. Our discussion will contain forward-looking statements, not limited to historical facts that reflect the company's current beliefs, expectations and/or intentions regarding future events and results.
These forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially and are based on assumptions that are subject to change. Many of these risks and uncertainties are discussed in our annual report filed with the SEC.
Now, I would like to turn the call over to our CEO, Mr. Pedro Heilbron.
Pedro Heilbron
Thank you, Raul. Good morning to all and thank you for participating in our third quarter earnings call.
First of all, I want to congratulate all of our coworkers for a very strong quarter. Their efforts and dedication allowed us to achieve great results and deliver the world-class product that our passengers expect from us.
A year ago, while facing a significant economic downturn in Latin America, we shared with you our path to higher margins plan that involves a series of initiatives that we believe would bring the company back to the margins we had delivered in the past. This initiative included adjustments to the company's route network and capacity growth, further efficiencies in our cost structure, the expiration of expenses fuel hedges, and several commercial initiatives, as well as expected improvement in the regional economy.
Although, we still continue working on many of these initiatives and, well, we're by no means done, we're happy to report that, as you can see from our Q3 operating margin and preliminary guidance for 2018, we're already realizing the benefits of many of these initiatives and are encouraged to see our financial performance and outlook continue to improve. Operationally, it was a very challenging quarter.
A severe weather and natural disasters caused devastation in some of the destinations we fly to. In our hub in Panama City, a power outage interrupted our operations for several hours, leading to a significant number of delays and flight cancellations.
In total, due to the natural disasters, weather events, and disruptions in our hub, we cancelled more than 450 flights. Approximately 1.5% of flight schedules for the quarter.
This event had a negative impact of approximately $12 million in operating earnings. In spite of those challenges, the company was able to deliver its highest third quarter operating margin since 2013, all while growing capacity by 13%.
Our main highlights for the quarter, our passenger traffic grew a solid 15% year-over-year, outpacing our capacity growth of 13%. This resulted in a strong 85.7% load factor, 1.5 percentage points higher than the third quarter of 2016.
Yields increased 1.3% year-over-year and 2.3% year-over-year when adjusted for length of haul. Due to our higher load factor and yields, unit revenues or RASM improved 2.4% year-over-year to $0.106.
On the cost side, ex-fuel unit cost decreased 1.2% to $0.063, among the lowest in our industry for a full-service airline. As the result, our operating margin came in at 18.1%, almost 5 percentage points above the third quarter of 2016.
On the operational front, in spite of the regular events in the quarter mentioned earlier, Copa Holdings delivered an on-time performance of 82.9% and a completion factor of 98.5%, which is low by Copa standards, but still strong for our industry. We also continued working on several important projects that should contribute significantly to our resource over the next couple of years, including upgrading our reservation system, which will enable us to make the most of new ancillary revenue opportunity, migrating to a new unified MRO solution, which was successfully completed in October and will allow us to more efficiently manage our maintenance programs for both the Boeing and Embraer fleet, resulting in lower cost; and a company-wide project to realize $50 million in recurring savings, most of which should be realized by the end of this year.
Also during the quarter, we continued investing in our technology, adding functionality to our app and website including TSA PreCheck and ConnectMiles enhancement. Finally, I'm glad to report that Wingo, although a very small 2% of our revenues, continues to do better than expected both operationally and financially.
So, overall, we had a very strong third quarter. Turning now to the rest of 2017, we expect the air-travel demand environment in our network to remain healthy, and are seeing good booking patterns for both the fourth quarter and the first quarter of 2018.
In terms of fleet, we already received two 737-800s during the first quarter, and expect to return 1 leased Embraer-190 in the fourth quarter, ending the year with 100 aircrafts, 1 more than at the end of 2016. In 2018, we will receive two 737-800s and our first five MAX 9, and we will return one leased Embraer-190 for a net growth of 6 aircrafts.
In regards to our network, we're pleased to see strong bookings for our two new destinations, Mendoza, Argentina, starting next week on November 15, and Denver starting in December. We're sure this will be great and unique additions to our network.
By the end of the year, Copa will provide service to 75 destinations in North, Central, South America and the Caribbean, strengthening its positioning as the most complete and convenient hub in Latin America. To summarize, we expect to continue seeing a healthy demand environment during the fourth quarter of 2017 and into 2018.
We continue growing and strengthening our network, the most complete and convenient hub for intra-Latin American travel. Despite significant challenges in the quarter, our team continues to deliver world-class operational performance while achieving industry-leading unit cost.
And we continue focusing on several cost and revenue initiatives that are aimed at further increasing our margins. Lastly, we're as confident as ever in our business model and our financial position.
We have the strongest network for travel within the Americas, an extremely flexible fleet plan, the lowest unit cost, a very strong liquidity position with low leverage and a highly committed team. Now, I'll turn it over to Jose, who will go over our financial results in more detail.
Jose Montero
Thank you, Pedro. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us.
First and foremost, as always, let me begin by joining Pedro in congratulating our entire team for all their efforts and achievements. Among our highlights for the quarter, we grew capacity by 13% year-over-year, while revenue passenger miles increased 15% year-over-year, which resulted in a consolidated load factor of 85.7%, a 1.5 percentage point increase versus Q3 2016.
Passenger yields came in 1% stronger year-over-year, which combined with a higher load factor resulted in a unit revenue increase of 2.4% from $0.103 in Q3 2016 to $0.106 in Q3 2017. When adjusting for length of haul, unit revenues increased 3.3% year-over-year.
Consolidated revenues increased almost 16% to over $657 million. On the expense side, our third quarter operating expenses increased 9.4% year-over-year under 13% capacity growth, which resulted in our cost per available seat mile decreasing 3% to $0.0806.
So our effective oil and fuel price decreased 8% from $1.88 per gallon in Q3 2016 to $1.82 per gallon in Q3 2017. Cost per available seat mile, excluding fuel, ex fuel CASM, decreased 1% from $0.0604 in Q3 2016 to $0.0603 in Q3 2017 driven mostly by lower distribution and administrative expenses.
Consolidated operating earnings for the quarter came in at $119 million, resulting in an operating margin of 18.1% or 0.7 percentage points higher than the 13.4% generated in Q3 2016. Looking at non-operating income and expense, the third quarter generated a net non-operating expense of $0.9 million mainly driven by net interest expense related to aircraft debt and $2.9 million of mark-to-market gain of outstanding fuel hedge contracts.
In terms of net results. Net earnings for the quarter came in at $103.8 million or earnings per share of $2.45.
When excluding extraordinary items, underlying net income for the quarter came in at $100.8 million or earnings per share of $2.38, 82% higher than the underlying net income of $55.3 million or adjusted earnings per share of $1.30 reported in Q3 2016. Turning to the balance sheet.
We closed the quarter with a very strong financial position. Assets totaled $4.2 billion for an increase of over $330 million versus the end of 2016.
Owners' equity totaled close to $2 billion. Debt plus capitalized leases totaled approximately $2 billion, and our adjusted net debt-to-EBITDA ratio came in at a very strong 1.5 times, by far, the lowest in our peer group.
We closed the quarter with approximately $1.2 billion in bank debt, more than 60% of which is fixed with a blended rate, including fixed and floating rate debt of approximately 2.8%. In regards to cash, short and long-term investments.
We closed the quarter with approximately $972 million, about $200 million more than at the end of the third quarter of 2016. Our cash balance at the end of the quarter represents approximately 40% of last 12 months' revenues.
Finally, on this upcoming December 15, we'll pay out our third quarter dividend in the amount of $0.75 per share to all shareholders of record as of November 30, 2017. So going back to our results and to recap, demand for air travel in our region is expected to remain healthy during the fourth quarter of 2017 and beyond.
We continue in our path to improve our revenues and reduce our costs, including our plan to achieve recurring savings of $50 million per year that should continue contributing to our results during the coming years. We have one of the strongest balance sheets in the industry, and we continue to return value to our shareholders.
Today, we're also updating our guidance for full-year 2017 based on our operating plan and expectations for air travel demand for the year. We're maintaining our capacity growth in terms of ASMs at approximately 8%.
And even though we're now assuming higher fuel price for the year, we're narrowing our operating margin to a range of 17% to 18%. Our 2017 full-year guidance is based on the following assumptions: Load factors of approximately 83%; RASM of approximately $10.05; CASM ex fuel of approximately $6.04; and an effective fuel price per gallon including into-plane and net of hedges of approximately $1.85.
We're also providing preliminary guidance for 2018 based on our operational plan and expectations for air travel demand. To be mind that our visibility as of now for full-year 2018 is very limited.
In terms of capacity ASMs are expected to grow by approximately 9% and the operating margin for full-year 2018 is expected to be in the range of 17% to 19%. This assumes an effective price per gallon of approximately $1.85.
So we expect our recovery to continue next year supported by healthy demand environment and many initiatives we have implemented in the last two years to strength of our competitive and financial position. Thank you.
And with that, we'll open the call to some questions.
Operator
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question is from Mike Linenberg from Deutsche Bank.
Your line is now open.
Michael Linenberg
Yeah, hey, good morning, everybody, Pedro, Jose and Raul.
Pedro Heilbron
Hi, Mike.
Michael Linenberg
Hey, questions just on your forecast and maybe also you can sort of talk about 2017 as well. I mean, you talk about the expectations, the demand and that the backdrop is healthy and then it seems like things are getting better.
The question is how much of it is macro? How much is it the macro backdrop has improved as much as maybe a more disciplined competitive backdrop?
Are you seeing aggressive pricing for example across your markets, are you seeing less than that as some companies have scaled back or slowed down their capacity growth? So how much of it is macro versus just - maybe just better behavior by your competitors, if you could quality them what you're seeing now as you look to 2018 that would be great?
Thank you.
Pedro Heilbron
Yeah, I mean - hi, Mike. It's probably a combination of factors.
But the economics are improving and we're seeing economic strength in most of our regions, so that's very important. There is rational behavior from our competitors, but that's usually being that way.
I mean, there are always - there will always be issues in specific markets, but we're usually a rational part of the world in that sense. So, yes, there is that.
But there is also growth. Our competitors are doing better also and not standing still.
So I think the competitive dynamics have not changed that much. So I would say the big story is the economy is getting stronger.
Jose Montero
Yeah, and just to add a little bit to the competitive dynamics, Mike, I, for example, in Q3 of this year we saw competitive growth in the mid-single-digits year-over-year. And we are not seeing anything particularly different for Q4.
It's going to be in that same range, probably even a little bit lower than that. So the competitive dynamics as Pedro mentioned is very tempered in the region.
Michael Linenberg
Okay, great. And then just one other question on Wingo, I think, Pedro, in your remarks, you said both operationally and financially.
It seems like things are going better than expected. My sense is that, it's still probably not yet profitable on a fully allocated basis.
I think the goal was to get to maybe full - breakeven by 2018. How big is Wingo at this point?
Is it still I think the four airplanes? And what do you need to see to start growing that business or does that business - is it more of a steady-state, maybe four, five, six airplanes, and it never gets much bigger than that?
Can you talk about that?
Pedro Heilbron
Yeah, well, Wingo is right now only 2% of our revenues. But it used to be - that same network, when operating - when it was operated by Copa Colombia, the same network was a high percent of our net results in terms in a negative way.
It was losing a relatively high loses. So Wingo has turned that around.
And again, even though it's only 2% of our revenues, we've cut the loses in that network by more than half of what it used to be. And Wingo is performing much better than what we expected at this point in time.
But will be negative, it will lose money for the year. I think for the year, it should be close to breakeven, if not, at breakeven next year.
And in terms of growing beyond the four aircrafts, it was - it's not an integral part of the reason to be for Wingo. But we will take advantage of opportunities that make sense for Wingo.
Wingo is not out - it's not there to eat the world, it is - I mean, it's just there to - it's kind of the Copa philosophy. We fly where it makes sense and where it's profitable to do so.
So Wingo will take advantage of profitable opportunities. And we'll go one step at a time.
Michael Linenberg
Okay, okay, thanks. That's helpful.
Thank you, Pedro.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question is form Savy Syth from Raymond James.
Your line is now open.
Savanthi Syth
Hey, good afternoon. Just as you look to 2018, I know 2017, there's good cost execution on the unit cost side, and you have the initiative and I think probably a little bit of help from the length of haul.
As we look to next year as these economies recover, maybe some improvement in the currencies, how should we think about unit cost headwinds and tailwinds?
Jose Montero
Yes, Savy, I think in general terms we feel that there is a - we're working very hard to ensure that our cost continue to improve in terms on unit basis. And part of that is our plan to reduce $50 million of our yearly cost.
And we're about 80% the way there with the plan and in 2018 timeframe I think that we'll be able to get more of that. Remember that next year, and more I think looking towards 2019, there is a couple of additional items that will come into play.
The first thing is the introduction of 737 MAX in the second half of 2018 that should contribute to our unit cost. And then your aspect is that we're bringing as part of our plan to achieve savings more maintenance in-house and we're investing quite a bit on our maintenance capabilities in-house.
So those things should provide tailwinds for our cost. However, having said that, there are some headwinds involved as well and mostly related to over-flight fees and landing fees, garment [ph] fees related in some of the airports where we operate in South America that could also have some of that.
But we are very confident in terms of our ability to reduce our CASM ex even more than where we are today.
Savanthi Syth
That's helpful. Thank you.
And then, if I just might ask on the reservation or the ancillary revenue initiative which - part of it is tied to the reservation systems. Any update on the timing of that and how you're feeling about the launch of those initiatives?
Pedro Heilbron
Yeah, it's Pedro here, Savy. It's going to be in mid to second half of 2018.
However, we have found ways to work around with our current systems and already introduced this year a seat functionality where we can monetize the better seats on the aircraft, and that's already producing results ahead of schedule. And we think, we'll be able to - also implement some of the other initiative even before we get to a full implementation of the new CSS system.
Savanthi Syth
Okay. That's helpful.
Thank you.
Pedro Heilbron
Thanks, Savi.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question is from Stephen Trent from Citi.
Your line is now open.
Stephen Trent
Thanks very much, gentlemen. And I appreciate, you're taking my question.
The first is actually just a quick follow-up on Mike Linenberg's question. I want to look at some of the places in South America, Peru, Argentina, Chile, we've got a lot of competition coming in, I mean, I know you guys don't have any domestic service in those markets?
But I'm curious, if you've seen any instance that some of these new airlines are trying to do international - affecting your routes or if - they're staying more along the domestic market servicing and international trunk routes? Just curious, if you've seen anything from them.
Pedro Heilbron
Yeah, what we're seeing from startup is regional or domestic and not something that is affecting or would affect our markets. Our competition is mostly the known carriers, our peer group that is - you are very familiar with.
So they're growing in some markets, not much different to what has gone and what has happened in the past - gone on in the past, it's very, very similar. And with stronger economy there is plenty of business for all.
And again growth is very rationale, so what we're seeing is rationale, not much different to the path, and much affecting us from a startup.
Stephen Trent
Great. I appreciate that.
And just two very quick ones. One, if you can refresh my memory longer term, you guys might consider doing third-party servicing with your MRO and generating some revenue on that.
And two, if you could also refresh my memory, what happened with the electric failure in Tocumen?
Pedro Heilbron
Okay. So in terms of the - our new MRO facility, we could do third-party work eventually.
I don't think it's going to happen in the next three years. We don't see it, so it's not going to be any immediate thing, but it's an opportunity what we'll consider in the future.
In terms of the power outage, it's inexcusable. It's something that should not have happened.
The airport has taken the necessary steps to make sure it doesn't happen again. They hire a major electrical company in Panama to do a thorough review of their facilities and systems, and are implementing the necessary changes, so that they strengthen their systems and it doesn't happen again.
I understand you're also talking to consultant about reviewing their business continuity and disaster recovery plans. So we trust that they're going to take the necessary measures so that's not repeated, but it was an excusable event, one which obviously upset us quite a bit.
Stephen Trent
Okay. Very helpful, Pedro.
I appreciate the color. I'll let someone else ask a question.
Thank you.
Pedro Heilbron
Thanks, Steve.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question is from Joseph DeNardi from Stifel.
Your line is now open.
Joseph DeNardi
Yeah. Thank you very much.
I would like maybe just to ask the outlook question in a different way. Can you just kind of share with us what the RASM and CASM ex assumptions are kind of embedded in the 2018 guidance, at least maybe the CASM side?
Jose Montero
Joe, yes, we have decided just to give you a little preliminary guidance only keep it at the ASM level and the operating margin estimate given that it's still very, very preliminary and the visibility of which in 2018 is still limited. But we're giving you the ASM change, the operating margin and the fuel price assumption in there.
Joseph DeNardi
Okay. Fair enough.
And then just on the fuel price side, I mean, is there something maybe on the hedge book that benefit next year it seems - just given the implied fuel cost in fourth quarter why would full-year 2018 be lower than that?
Jose Montero
Yeah, the fuel - there is no hedges in our fuel book after December of this year. And for 2018, we still - again that's a preliminary guidance, we - in the last couple of days fuel has kind of moved somewhat up, it's a very recent spike.
But in any event, I think, we feel that the $1.85 level that we have is a curve and is an estimate of where we feel it's going to be in. And regardless of that still very, very confident that business model and the ability to flourish even at higher fuel prices given the economies in the region and the like.
Joseph DeNardi
Great. Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question is from Hunter Keay from Wolfe Research.
Your line is now open.
Matt Morris
Hey, guys, this is actually Matt on for Hunter. So we heard that Air Panama was considering some A330s for European service.
And we just want to get your thoughts about that and if those growth plans may be in any way impede your ability to get gates at Tocumen?
Pedro Heilbron
Okay. So - it's Pedro here.
We saw that in social media, I'm not sure exactly what it is, so I cannot really refer to that, no factual information. And there are a small, not very strong a carrier, so I have my doubt.
In terms of slots and gates at Tocumen that won't be an issue. We have no problems there.
Matt Morris
Okay, great. And then, I guess, separately, how should we think about the 9% capacity growth in 2018.
Just in regards to how higher or how lower that could go since 2017 capacity was initially pegged to be at 5%. You guys were able to take that up to 8%?
Pedro Heilbron
Yeah, I think, we're going to be closer to our target next year. This year, as the economies got stronger, we up utilization and a lot of our growth this year has been utilization, not additional aircrafts.
We will grow six net aircrafts next year, but that happens in the second half. So we're going to see that effect mostly in 2019.
So I think, we're going to be closer to the number we're guiding to in 2018 versus this year.
Matt Morris
Okay. Thank you.
Jose Montero
Thanks, Matt.
Pedro Heilbron
Thanks.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question is from Duane Pfennigwerth from Evercore ISI.
Your line is now open.
Raymond Wong
Good morning. This is actually Ray Wong on for Duane.
My first one is excluding the airport marketing incentives, what is other revenue growth look like in the third quarter?
Jose Montero
You're talking about excluding the airport item - the way that we frame it kind of excluding the $12 million earnings impact to - in the quarter. I mean, I think that the impact on a pure earnings basis, probably, going to be a couple of margin points, I'd say related to the operational issues that we had in the quarter.
That's kind of the way we're looking at it.
Raymond Wong
Sorry, to clarify, I was referring to other revenue line you guys called that a non-recurring airport marketing incentive that led to like a lot of…
Jose Montero
Yeah, yeah, sorry about that. Yeah, it's just simply related to some of the stations that we had opened in the past.
And it's just non-recurring item that was there in the base that was not this year.
Raymond Wong
Okay. Sure.
And following…
Jose Montero
Marketing funds that we get from some of the new stations that we open.
Raymond Wong
Okay. And following upon Savi's question.
What types of other specific ancillary initiatives could we expect in the second half of 2018? And how much could that contribute?
Pedro Heilbron
We don't want to refer to the exact initiatives until we are approved and launched, but some of it, they were already selling seats or realizing value for the most attractive seats in economy. We have enhanced our upgrade program also, where we can sell upgrade when available.
We are also improving our ConnectMiles revenue. So all of that is in the mix, we have guided to eventually a couple of margin point coming from ancillary.
And we're seeing that we're well on our way to deliver that next year, the next year and in 2019, so in both years.
Jose Montero
Actually, I would argue that some of that, given the moves that we've made early in terms of selling the seats have already been showing up in our performance so far.
Pedro Heilbron
Yeah. That's correct.
Raymond Wong
And lastly, is you team seeing fuel surcharges returning the market? And if not, in what level could we see them again?
Pedro Heilbron
We're not seeing fuel surcharges returning and with kept some from the past, but we haven't been adding to it. And I mean, something would have to happen for that to be the case, there is a recent spike, but we don't think that spike is going to be sustainable hopefully.
So we don't see them coming back in the near future.
Raymond Wong
Okay, great. Thanks, guys.
Thanks a lot. I appreciate it.
Pedro Heilbron
Thanks, Ray.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question is from Dan McKenzie from Buckingham Research.
Your line is now open.
Daniel McKenzie
Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for the time here.
I guess, first question is just kind of going back it maybe to clarify in a couple of earlier ones. And that is, if we strip out some of the noise here in the third quarter, and just kind of tying this to your full-year guide.
How do we think about the sequential revenue trends between the third and the fourth quarter, it seems like they're flat to slightly stronger? I just wondered, if you could just sort of help us characterize whether there is potentially a demand inflection here as we had into the fourth quarter.
Jose Montero
Yeah, Dan. This is Jose here.
You can - I think, the implied unit revenue for the fourth quarter is somewhat stronger than what you're seeing in Q3. The one thing also you have to mention is in our cost line usually the fourth quarter or some timing of expenses coming in the latter part of the year.
So therefore, our unit cost should also be somewhat higher for the latter part of the year for the fourth quarter. So both RASM and CASM you can - we're guiding to - or the implied numbers in the guidance suggest that.
Daniel McKenzie
Got it. And as we look at that stronger fourth quarter here is just - would you just sort of characterize this as normal seasonality, Jose, or is there potentially some inflection here in business travel or leisure travel?
Jose Montero
I think, this is - it's part. I mean, the fourth quarter historically is a strong quarter.
But also, we are seeing a continuing improvement in terms of the macro environment in the region - throughout the regions that we're flying.
Daniel McKenzie
Got it. And then if I could squeeze one more in here.
I guess, Jose, for you, one more here. The 1.5 times net debt-to-EBITDA, is that the right leverage metric for Copa, first off?
Or what is the right leverage metric? And then, I guess, the second question is would you need to start raising debt to maintain a potential leverage metric that you might be a little bit more comfortable with.
And then, what might be the use of cash, if you might need to raise some leverage here?
Jose Montero
Yeah. So I think, we're very comfortable in the way that we see our balance sheet.
The levels that we have right now are very strong and that, fortunately, given that strength allowed us to concentrate on operations during the downturn that we faced over the last couple of years. So we are very keen to maintain levels that are very strong.
I think that board has been very, I think, active and returning value to our shareholders. In the last quarter, they raised the dividend from $0.51 per share to $0.75 per share per quarter.
And so it is - I think, they've proven that even though we have a very strong balance sheet we have returning value to our shareholders. Having said that, there are uses of cash over the next 18 months mostly related to the fuel growth that we'll have and the orders over that we have and the deposits associated with that.
So summarizing, I think, we're comfortable with an adjusted net debt to EBITDA ratio that is lower. I think, we're in a very comfortable position right now.
We will have a commitments in terms of aircraft going forward, but the board has also returning value to our shareholders as well. And I don't think that there is necessary to lever the business as of now beyond the needs that we have for financing of our aircraft.
Daniel McKenzie
Very good. Thanks for the time, guys.
Operator
Thank you. Our last question comes from Lucas Barbosa from UBS.
Your line is now open.
Lucas Barbosa
Hi, thanks for taking my question. And congratulation for the results.
I just wanted to hear your thoughts on the demand recovery that we saw this quarter. Does it come from a specific region or is it all around?
So my intention is just to get some visibility per region. Thank you very much.
Pedro Heilbron
Yeah, this is Pedro. Lucas, thank you.
I will say most regions, if not, all. Obviously, Brazil came back sooner and stronger than expected.
But in a way, we've seen that throughout the year. And most other regions, it have shown healthy traffic growth and yield improvement.
So I will not, quote unquote, blame one specific region. I think it's throughout Latin America.
Lucas Barbosa
Okay. Great.
Thank you very much.
Jose Montero
Thank you, Lucas.
Pedro Heilbron
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. I would like to turn the call back over to Pedro Heilbron, CEO for closing remarks.
Pedro Heilbron
Okay. Thank you all.
This concludes our earning call. Thank you for participating and as always thank you for your continued support.
Have a great day and a great weekend.
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation. That concludes the presentation.
You may disconnect and have a wonderful day.