Jul 25, 2017
Executives
Kathleen L. Quirk - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Mark Johnson - Freeport-McMoRan Copper & Gold Inc. Harry M.
“Red” Conger IV - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Analysts
Chris Terry - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc. Novid Rassouli - Cowen and Company, LLC Michael F.
Gambardella - JPMorgan Securities LLC Christopher Domenic Mancini - Gabelli & Company Orest Wowkodaw - Scotia Capital, Inc. Alexander Hacking - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.
Lucas N. Pipes - FBR & Co.
John C. Tumazos - John Tumazos Very Independent Research LLC Fawzi Hanano - Joh.
Berenberg, Gossler & Co. KG (United Kingdom) Michael S.
Dudas - Vertical Research Partners, LLC.
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Freeport-McMoRan Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call.
At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session.
I would now like to turn the conference over to Ms. Kathleen Quirk, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.
Please go ahead, ma'am.
Kathleen L. Quirk - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Freeport-McMoRan Second Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call.
Our results were released earlier this morning and a copy of the press release and slides for today's call are available on our website at fcx.com. Our conference call today is being broadcast live on the Internet and anyone may listen to the call by accessing our website homepage and clicking on the webcast link for the call.
In addition to analysts and investors, the financial press has been invited to listen to today's call and a replay of the webcast will be available on our website later today. Before we begin our comments, we'd like to remind everyone that today's press release and certain of our comments on this call will include forward-looking statements and actual results may differ materially.
We'd like to refer everyone to the cautionary language included in our press release and presentation materials and to the risk factors described in our Form 10-K and subsequent SEC filings. On the call today are Richard Adkerson, Chief Executive Officer of FCX; Red Conger, President of our Americas business; Mark Johnson, President of our Indonesian Operations; and Mike Kendrick, President of Climax Molybdenum.
I'll start by briefly summarizing our financial results and then will turn the call over to Richard, who'll review our performance and outlook using the prepared slide presentation. As usual, after our formal remarks, we'll open up the call for questions.
Today, FCX reported net income attributable to common stock of $268 million, or $0.18 per share for the second quarter of 2017. The results from the second quarter include net gains of $27 million, or $0.01 a share associated with a number of special items which are detailed on VIII of our press release.
After adjusting for these net gains, second quarter adjusted net income attributable to common stock totaled $241 million, or $0.17 a share. Our EBITDA or adjusted earnings before interest, taxes and depreciation for second quarter totaled $1.2 billion.
We've got a reconciliation of our EBITDA calculation on the last page of out slide deck. Our sales for the second quarter totaled 942 million pounds of copper, 432,000 ounces of gold, and 25 million pounds of molybdenum.
Our sales volume for copper were about 3% below our April 2017 estimates. That primarily reflected the impact of the worker absenteeism on our mining and milling rates in Indonesia.
The second quarter average realized copper price was $2.65 a pound. That was over 20% above the year-ago quarter average of $2.19 per pound, and gold prices averaged $1,243 for the quarter.
Our average unit net cash cost on a consolidated basis averaged $1.20 per pound of copper in the second quarter, that was lower than the unit net cash cost of $1.33 per pound in the second quarter of 2016 and it was also in line with our guidance. Operating cash flows during the quarter totaled $1 billion; those exceeded our capital expenditures of $362 million in the quarter.
Year-to-date, we've generated operating cash flows of $1.8 billion, which have exceeded our year-to-date capital spending of $700 million. At June 30, our consolidated debt totaled $15.4 billion and we ended the quarter with $4.7 billion in consolidated cash.
Net debt is $1.1 billion lower than the start of the year and notably $9.5 billion less than the start of 2016. We had no borrowings under our revolving credit facility and approximately $3.5 billion available at the end of June.
At June 30, FCX had 1.45 billion common shares outstanding. I'd now like to turn the call over to Richard, who will be using the slide presentation materials on our website.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Good morning, everyone. Want to give you an update of where our company stands right now.
I got to tell you, we've had a high degree of optimism about our business as we're here in the midst of 2017. As we do before every earnings call, we had our global operating team together last week.
Red Conger's here, Mike Kendrick's here and Mark Johnson is on the call. And our team is really focused, continue to execute our plans, looking forward to the future and analyzing where our company is going to ultimately grow from this great set of assets that we have.
But we've all focused on cost management and you can see the results of that, good achievement with that. We've got ongoing capital discipline.
We've got a portfolio of growth projects that we're doing work to prepare ourselves for future investments, but we're not committing to projects now, which is common across the copper industry worldwide. There's still enough of an uncertainty in the global economy and that's keeping people from going in and investing heavily on growth projects, but we've got a good set of them that we're going to be prepared to invest in the future and we're convinced that the world is going to need that copper.
We have some issues to continue to talk about in Indonesia, but we've made a lot of progress there. And we do have a degree of optimism about our work with the government, about operationally how we're dealing with our labor issues that's been issues for us during the first half of the year and making progress.
Kathleen pointed out that we have reduced our debt since we set our targets in early – going into 2016. At that time, we said we were going to try to reduce debt by $5 billion to $10 billion over the two-year period ending year-end 2017.
To-date, it's been $9.5 billion. As Kathleen said, to-date, we've generated significantly higher cash flow than our capital expending, well over $1 billion.
So, we've already achieved our target. We're going to continue to generate cash to reduce debt.
And now that our balance sheet issues, which dominated our activities last year, are resolved, we are focusing on operations and looking at safety issues, which has always been at the top of our list of things, being more efficient. The primary strategic issue we face is resolving the long-term rights in Indonesia and I'll be talking about that.
But we're also focused on building long-term values in our portfolio of copper assets and we are optimistic about the future of copper as a commodity and as future price. Very well pleased that after going through the efforts to reduce debt, we've retained a set of assets that are really attractive in terms of building our company around.
We do have now $8.2 billion in liquidity, looking at our cash and our availability on our revolver. So, we continue to generate cash, allows us to improve our balance sheet.
Today is a good day in the copper market. I can't tell you how many days we've had earnings call when we wake up in the morning and say, oh, we wish we had a higher copper price, but today is a good day.
We're not surprised by this at all. The market fundamentals remain solid.
What we're seeing is in the face of a stronger U.S. dollar, Chinese demand is better than most expected during the first half of 2017 and now.
As I was coming up in the copper business, we always talked about the summer doldrums. I mean just, historically, as you went into the August, in the copper industry, you typically saw demand fall off, inventory rise.
Well, we're in the summer doldrums. It's typically not a great time for demand in China.
And so it's encouraging to see this – to see European demand improving, North America growing at a low rate. But the fundamental support for it is the supply side issues and that's coming clearly into focus.
We're seeing a return to more typical disruptions. We had a period of time of – where disruptions were lower than historical amounts.
We're seeing now issues related to labor, technical issues, issues with government and all so forth that's being supportive from a supply standpoint. They remains a scarcity of major new projects available to the industry.
The projects that are available longer-term are lower quality than historically were available. And so, copper is very well placed among commodities because of the role of copper in the global economy, the supply side, the supportive things and also the uses of copper that are emerging in terms of the development of alternative energy sources and ultimately with mechanization of the economy, including electric vehicles.
So, copper has a solid fundamental outlook. Our company is well-positioned with the assets that we have.
Wood Mackenzie shows, even with the modest demand growth of 1% globally per year, they estimate 5 million tons of new copper projects will be required to meet demand from the supply situation that we face. Now, we know, because we're studying this every day, that new copper projects and ours that we have are greenfield, I mean, brownfield projects, using existing infrastructure, low risk execution projects and we showed what we can do with the Cerro Verde project, but we know that they require $3 plus copper to make them justified.
There's a 7-year to 10-year lead time and greenfield projects are really scarce. So there is a deficit looming, absent any big disruption in the world's economy or in China.
There is an inevitable deficit that will allow our company to really profit from it. I've read some recent reports of people who have been bearish on copper outlook for some time now that are talking about prices being required for new projects as being substantially lower than we see in our portfolio.
And we believe we have the best portfolio in the industry to go forward. So, anyway, we're encouraged by that.
Talking about the Americas operations, strong operating performance. The Cerro Verde expanded operations continued to perform well.
We're looking at a project near our Safford mine in Eastern Arizona where we have an ore body that some of you recall us talking about in the past called Lone Star. As the Safford mine is depleting from the oxide minerals that we have there, we're pointing towards a plan of producing oxide from the Lone Star deposit, which would make use of these facilities that we have available and also serve to expose a very large sulfide resource at Lone Star that underlies the oxide ore body.
Using existing infrastructure, this project would be easy, relatively easy. We had grievances a little bit when I say that, but relatively easy to undertake and give us the opportunity for some significant investments in the large sulfide resource, both at Lone Star and at Safford in the future.
In Chile, at our El Abra project, where we're partners with CODELCO, our exploration that we've done over the past 10 years – we just celebrated our tenth year anniversary of the Phelps Dodge deal – have identified a very significant sulfide resource that we didn't know existed at the time of the transaction. This would be a Cerro Verde type project, although it would require a desalinization plant and pipelines to get the water to heights.
It's a big project, but it's a very attractive project long run. And we're working with our partner, CODELCO, and other resource land owners in the area to tee it up for future investments.
And then in the U.S., we have a whole series of sulfide opportunities that we're continuing to study. We're serious about this.
I mean, we believe we'll make these investments in the future. We're just not making them right now because as we assess the markets, on slide 6, we have in alphabetical order these projects that we have available in the Americas outside of Lone Star.
They are in the United States. The United States has strategic benefits today that it didn't have in the past for this – other than El Abra, because of the energy situation here, which is an advantage for the U.S.
with shallow oil and gas development. The labor situation here is we don't have unions in the United States.
We have communities that support our business. And so, it's an attractive place to invest and the resources, as you can see in these charts, where we've got significant currently identified proved and probable reserves, the mineralized material and the resources beyond that are enormous.
So, this will be where we'll be focusing the future of our company on. So, in Indonesia, our exports resumed in April.
We experienced a high level of worker absenteeism during the second quarter that actually began in mid-April and that had an impact on our mining and milling rates. Despite the lower rates, we have been mining higher ore grades and we had the ability to sell from inventory that built up during the time that we were restricted from exports.
We have had a significant reduction in our workforce there. Workers that were absent were given notice as required under our labor contract and under Indonesian law.
Many of those did not return to work and they were deemed to have retire – to have resigned. And we are now in the process of using contractors to supplement our workforce by these significant number of people that are no longer employees.
You read about calls for strikes. We want to say that there is no general strike.
We went into the year with over 30,000 workers; over 25,000 of those were not involved in this absenteeism. They continue to work and so we are using this as an opportunity to really deal with some workforce issues that have been with us for some time now.
And we're encouraged that we'll be able to do that; we've got support from the authorities, it's been peaceful and we are working our way back towards normal operations. We are looking at ways of improving our operations through sloped optimization efforts, and we are looking at accessing what was designed to be produced from the underground Grasberg Block Caves through open pit mining.
So, we're actually feeling good about where we are right now. The team has done a great job in managing this adjustment in our workforce.
We had, for example, about 4,000 of these workers that were deemed to have resigned. Now, in terms of the contract issues, with the discussions with the Government of Indonesia, those are very active right now.
And we're now approaching a stage where both parties have expressed an objective of a near-term resolution. And I believe we are seeing that objective being more clearly identified by the senior levels in the Indonesian government than we have seen in the past.
Our team in Jakarta has been working in a process that we established back in May, to have discussions with the ministries that are involved in this and our team. We are now at the point of moving those discussions to direct discussions with the lead ministers and with the government, I'm personally involved in those as I have been all along with the process.
So we're going to be talking about mutual objectives of extending our operating right, providing Freeport the required assurances about fiscal and legal terms that would give us the confidence to invest in these big underground projects that we have in our plans. We are being responsive to the goals of the Indonesian government about divestment and about smelter investments.
We have an understanding that any divestments that we have would have to be a fair market value from our perspective and that Freeport would continue to have operational and governance control over the operation. So we're moving to the next stage.
We have a mutual sense of optimism that we can find an agreement. At the end of the day, it's in all of our interest.
It's the interest of the country, our shareholders, the workers, the Province of Papua and so we will – we are working on that every day. We do have an issue that we need to – that affected our outlook near-term.
So, we are developing – we were starting up our most recent extension of our underground mine where Freeport had been conducting block caving operations since the early 1980s and we keep going deeper. The recent ore from this section of our operations has come from a mine called the Deep Ore Zone mine called DOZ.
And we've extended that through our exploration activity to a lower horizon and we call this new mine the Deep MLZ. And as we've gone deeper, we've encountered a different rock environment than we had at shallower elevations.
The rock is more dense, harder. We're going deeper.
And in June, we experienced what we are calling a mining-induced seismic activity, which is not uncommon in block caving mines, we've had it in the past, but this was a more significant event for us. It has caused us to slow down the initial ramp-up to make sure that we're managing this rock stress in a safe way and in a prudent way to protect the people and the resources in our underground development until the cave is sustained in a normal fashion.
So, we had a plan going into the second quarter for ramp-up that now we are slowing down as we deal with this situation. We still – there has been nothing that has affected the resource that we're developing and nothing for us to change our plans to ramp this mine up to 80,000 tons a day, which is very large for our block caving operations by 2021.
But it is resulting because of the slowdown and based on what we know today, in deferrals that we've incorporated in our plans, which is reducing our metal by 100 million pounds of copper this year, 200 million next year, and also deferring gold as part of the component of this. Couple of points about this.
This is a – as I said, this is an extension of an ore body that's not part of the Grasberg ore body, but this is an ore body that we began mining in the early 1980s and have kept extending it at depth. The ore body underlying the Grasberg is the same ore body we're mining from the open pit and its rock characteristics are much different and we're real comfortable that this situation we have here will not automatically transfer over to the Grasberg because of the nature of the rock differences.
Any event, we are working with a world-class team of geologists and engineers and we're putting safety first. And – but we're looking for ways of advancing this.
And once we get to the point of having the caving operating in a normal fashion, then we'll be back on track to our original plans and nothing has changed that. So we'll be talking a lot as we go forward about the block caving designs.
This Grasberg Block Cave is just amazing in terms of its size. When this is completed, this will be the world's largest underground mining operations and we're very comfortable that we can manage this.
You can see it has almost – the Grasberg Block Cave has almost a billion tons of reserves with over 1% copper and 0.78 grams per ton of gold. It's an extraordinarily high rate of return investment.
The Grasberg Block Cave, for example, is bigger than the Morenci mine, which is our flagship mine here in North America. It's a state-of-the-art system.
Block Cave has complicated operations, but we're very experienced with this and it's going to be a real source of pride for – not only for our company, but for the country of Indonesia and having this kind of development. This – slide 10 shows you the history of block caving.
This is a separate mineralization from the Grasberg Block Cave, separate from the original Ertsberg deposit, which Freeport began mining in the early 1970s, but it began with a mine that's called the GBT, which is depleted by the late 1970s. In the late 1990s, we were developing the IOZ mine, which is depleted.
We moved to the DOZ and now this is, as you can see, proportionately, this is a larger high-grade ore body called the Deep MLZ mine and that's where we're dealing with this startup issue. With our negotiations advancing in a positive way with the government, we are dealing with a number of ministries.
We're all focused on the financial benefits to Indonesia that our operations provide. We've been there a long time.
We've contributed $60 billion to the national Gross Domestic Product since our current contract was signed in 1992. Very significant part of the region and the regency where we're located, we're over 90% of the economy, by far the largest employer in Papua, one of the largest taxpayers.
We contribute through our community programs a very significant amount, almost $700 million, since we started this 1% fund in 1996. So, both sides are working now constructively towards a solution.
The challenge we're going to face is to take this mutual objective of finding a solution and converting it into an agreement and supporting regulations that's acceptable to both parties. That's not underestimating that, but we are approaching this with a degree of optimism and it's clear that the senior government people working with too have that objective as well.
2017 outlook is presented on page 12, with the adjustments because the Deep MLZ startup issues, we are now projecting copper at 3.7 billion pounds, gold at 1.6 million ounces and 93 million pounds of molybdenum. Site production delivery costs are in line with our previous estimates and after byproduct credits, we're now suggesting $1.19.
Operating cash flows will continue to be strong and capital expenditures will continue to be significantly lower than our cash flows. Sales profile is shown for 2016, 2017 and 2018 on slide 12.
Kathleen L. Quirk - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
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Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Slide 13, I'm sorry. And you can see this is now net of the sale of our Tenke mine that we sold in the Congo to China Molybdenum and the incremental interest in Morenci that we sold to our partner Sumitomo.
So that's what our sales look like. EBITDA and cash flows for 2018 now at $1,250 gold, $7.50 molybdenum and copper prices varying from $2.50 to $3 are shown on slide 14.
You can see that goes from just over $5.5 billion of EBITDA to about $7.5 billion over that range. And with cash flows going from $3.4 billion to $4.8 billion, we're highly leveraged to copper.
Each $0.10 is $280 million and before this call, we were close to $0.10 up today. Capital expenditures show the termination of capital spending in the oil and gas business and we currently are continuing to invest in the Grasberg Block Cave which has for 2017, $700 million of investment and $750 million for 2018.
With the agreement with Government of Indonesia, we'll proceed with that. If we are unexpectedly unable to reach an agreement with the government, then we would take the steps of stopping that spending, it would be a major adjustment to our activities at PT-FI and would have a deferral in the ramp-up, which in blockade mining, it takes a period of time to ramp up once you start the mining operations, which we can't do at the Grasberg Block Cave until we finish mining the open pit.
So, our current plan is to do this. If we're not to be successful in our discussions with the government, those CapEx would be suspended for major adjustments in our operations and we would be moving on to a resolution through arbitration, which we don't want, the government doesn't want, that's why the momentum is to find the solution.
And that's what our plans are based on. Kathleen and her team did a great job in amending and extending the Cerro Verde credit facility.
The details of that are on page 16. As we go forward, we will continue to look for steps of managing our balance sheet and our maturities over long periods of time.
It was a very highly successful syndication and it reflects the strength of this great asset. And one of the – maybe the best thing that came out of this asset restructuring and capital raising activity that we did in last year was that we kept Cerro Verde and we're building our company around it as we go forward in the future.
You can see our debt reductions going from over $20 billion to net debt now being $10.7 billion, and then where that would move to with just using cash flows. We're no longer looking at any kind of capital raising through sales of stock or sales of assets.
We'll do some small sales of assets in ordinary course of business, but as I said, we basically reached our goals with our balance sheet. And now we're focused on safe production from our current sets of assets with this great team of operators and development and we got the financial strength to go forward.
And we're focused on resolving the situation in Indonesia and we currently believe we're seeing good progress with that, and then looking for the day of when the market will be such that we will be investing in growth in our assets and looking for opportunities outside of our company. We're all focused on building shareholder value; that's all we're about and we look for alternative ways of doing that because that's our job at the end of the day.
So, with that, we will open the line for questions.
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. Our first question will come from the line of Chris Terry with Deutsche Bank.
Please go ahead.
Chris Terry - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.
Hi, guys. Couple questions from me, mainly relating to Grasberg, as you would expect.
The first one just on the underground development, you'd hinted that that was your plan of balancing act there during the year of keeping enough labor in place, so that you don't stop completely. When you say it's been slowed now, is there a different development compared to last quarter or is it more of the same?
And then also, can you just speak a little bit more about the opportunity to mine from the open-pit part of what would have previously been in the underground?
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Okay. So with your first question, I want to make sure that we're clear on this.
There is the Block Cave underground development activities. And then there is the startup of the Deep MLZ mine, which is beginning – it's moving to its operating phase.
The development activities now are focused in the underground Block Cave at the Grasberg mine underneath the pit. Okay.
And that's a major development project that we've literally been working on for eight years or so and developing access to it and getting that mine prepared to start up when we complete mining in the pit. We did reduce some of our capital spending when we were facing the issues with the government that emerged in January of 2017.
But we've made a decision so far to keep spending on that development activities and nothing has changed during the quarter on that.
Kathleen L. Quirk - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
We cut it by about 25% earlier this year, Chris, but nothing has changed in recent months on it. We're evaluating it on a month-by-month basis.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
And moving to your second question, as we continue to develop this and as we're completing mining at the pit, as you would expect, there is ongoing efforts to try to optimize the mining at the final stages of operations at the pit. And Mark Johnson and his team are looking at ways of adjusting pit slopes – deepening pit slopes, looking at ways that we can take advantage of our existing fleet of open pit mining equipment, the shovels and trucks and so forth.
Some of that's been delayed by this issue of the export ban. There was a period of time of where the smelter in Indonesia was down earlier this year.
So that's given us opportunities and time to see how can you optimize the final stages of mining from the pit. And that's what we're talking about there.
Then we move over to the Deep MLZ mine, of where we had completed the initial stages of development, in Block Cave mining there is ongoing development activities that occur once you start the caving operations. But we were in the startup of actually developing the draw points for the operations through a combination of undercut development and mining material from the draw points as they started out when we ran into this issue related to this mining and do seismic activity.
And so, we stepped back from that for a period of time and we're sequentially approaching undercut development and mucking mining, which we were doing together before until we get to the point of where the caves are operating in a normal fashion. So that's a separate issue from the underground development at the Grasberg Block Cave.
Chris Terry - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.
Okay. Thanks, Richard, for the color.
And then just in terms of the discussions with the government that you're still having, are you able to rank, I guess, from maybe the government side what they say is the most important, including the smelter, the final ownership status, timelines, taxes, royalties, et cetera? Like what's the key sticking point there?
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Well, what we have is an effort that's designing a solution in one agreement to address all of these issues. We both have agreed that we're going to have a global solution to the issues as a package and the keys from the government standpoint are the ones that you mentioned.
They want to see divestment. Their objective is to have, over time, a point where we reach a 51% ownership by Indonesian interest.
Currently 9.36% is owned by the government. They've set a strong objective of seeing new smelter capacity developed in Indonesia and then preserving the fiscal revenues from taxes and royalties that the government has because that's important to us.
From our standpoint, our objective is having the government approve our rights to an extension that we have under our existing contract. And that goes to 2041 and that – and to have that approval, have fiscal and legal terms that have assurances and a commitment by the government to those over time, so that they can't be changed by subsequent laws and regulations.
And that any divestment that occurs – and we're talking at this final stages about we had originally agreed to 30%, the government wanted 51%, so that's a matter to be dealt with in the final negotiations. But whatever that comes up to that any divestment be done, so that we are paid a fair value for the divested shares.
And that Freeport – there is an agreement that Freeport will continue as operator and we have to – to do that, we have to have the rights to operate the business as we determine it should be operated and that we also have control over the governance of the operations. And so, those are the issues.
And we've agreed to deal with them as a package and that's what we are doing as we speak.
Chris Terry - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.
Okay. Thanks, Richard.
One final one, is there any update on Kokkola in Finland? What value you could extract there versus the original thoughts?
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
No. We have a lot of interest as you can imagine both with that and with the Kisanfu exploration, a property that's near Tenke, which we had an agreement with China Moly that they would have a right to negotiate with us on it.
We weren't able to reach an agreement with them on the valuation. There's been such a change in the cobalt market, of course, since we closed our transaction on Tenke.
And we've had a lot of incoming interest. We're having discussions with people, but we haven't established a formal process for how to go forward.
Chris Terry - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.
Okay. That's it from me.
Thanks, guys.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
All right. Thanks, Chris.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Novid Rassouli with Cowen and Company. Please go ahead.
Novid Rassouli - Cowen and Company, LLC
Hey, Richard and Kathleen. So, Richard, when you were discussing the Indonesia situation down at CESCO, you'd mentioned that you guys and the Indonesian government are not really starting from scratch and that the discussions are far along several years, you guys have been discussing this.
And that you're hopeful that the six-month extension is all that's necessary given the background and history of the negotiations. I was just wondering that was quite a laundry list of topics that you just listed out on what needs to be decided on.
So I just want to see if you can give us an update on how you're thinking about the situation now. Do you see an ability to have something done by October and if anything has changed in your thinking since you kind of presented that view to us down at CESCO?
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Yes. Well, I guess, from our perspective, this is not a big laundry list of items.
I mean, it is divestment, smelter, fiscal terms, extension and those – it's really four items. There has been a significant movement within the Indonesian government of where I think coming from the senior level of government there is a real objective of wanting to get this resolved now that we just haven't seen in the past.
And so, we remain focused on getting an agreement done this year and that is consistent with what the government's objective is as well. So there's a lot of things going on within Indonesia and its economy, their geopolitical issues that we read about everything in the paper in Southeast Asia.
There is political developments as always within the Indonesian government, and all those things are coming to bear. We are having a – we're seeing a much greater interest by officials in the U.S.
government in this administration to be supportive of businesses generally, but particularly, our situation in Indonesia. We're working – it's our responsibility to negotiate with the government and that's what we're doing.
But there is a lot of circumstances that are leading us to a point of where we're at the point we are now of working to get an agreement. And if it can be done, now is the time going to be to do it.
I mean, we're clear this is the effort that we're going to pursue. It's not going to be any memorandums of understanding or assurance letters or any of the things we've had in the past, but we're running this to ground right now.
Novid Rassouli - Cowen and Company, LLC
Okay. And the next step from that would be, I guess, arbitration?
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
If we're unsuccessful, then that's the recourse that each party has to resolve a dispute. We gave notice about – of the dispute earlier this year.
There was a 120-day notice period that has now run its course. So at this point, either party is free to initiate arbitration proceedings.
And as you can imagine, we're doing a lot of behind-the-scenes work to prepare for that if it's something we have to do. We feel very strong about our legal position in this, but we also recognize that it's not desirable for either party to go that route.
And so we're in effect reserving our rights, the government has rights as well, but we're working together to get this resolved and that's – and we're approaching it – we're both approaching it I think for maybe the first real time before there is a consistent point of view about wanting to get it resolved.
Novid Rassouli - Cowen and Company, LLC
Got it. And then just one follow-up, Richard.
So, you guys had mentioned you're taking steps to increase the workforce or PT-FI is taking steps to increase the workforce. Curious if there is any significant lead time to kind of train the additional workers to restore normal operating rates and if future strikes – potential future strikes would have an immediate impact or if the new workforce would kind of have some sort of a buffer built in?
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Well, what's going on as we're doing this is the activity in the pit is ramping down, whereas once we were mining 800,000 tons a day, there were some days we even had a million tons a day, metric tons of mining in the pit. Today, our plan calls for about 100,000 tons.
So, there is less work being done in the pit and that's where this absenteeism was focused. And what we're doing is rather than hiring new employees is working through contractors to hire people, often people who are experienced in coal mining and other activities for our truck operations and so forth.
So, it is taking some time, but we're close back to meeting our plans with activity as we speak now. And all this activity really has not had a significant impact in our underground development activities.
That's a separate set of workers, they haven't been, in large part – they weren't involved in this absenteeism, while you read about a strike – there has not been a formal strike declared. The union tops have called for a strike, but in any event, it's not like the workforce went on strike, there were some workers that didn't come to work.
And unfortunately after notification, some of them have lost their jobs and that's not good for anybody, but we've had to manage it that way to keep control of our operations.
Novid Rassouli - Cowen and Company, LLC
Got it. Thanks, Richard.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Okay. Thank you.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Michael Gambardella with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.
Michael F. Gambardella - JPMorgan Securities LLC
Yes. Good morning, Richard and Kathleen.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Hey, Mike.
Kathleen L. Quirk - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Hi, Mike.
Michael F. Gambardella - JPMorgan Securities LLC
You got controllable and uncontrollable issues always. You guys have done a pretty good job on the controllable issues, you get a little bit help from the uncontrollable with copper going up, but you still got to deal with this Indonesia issue, which is, in my mind, a big uncontrollable.
And I think the main – one of the main things I hear Freeport say that they need is assurances that the contract of work terms which have gone on now to 2041 are upheld. But how do you really get assurances of that since my understanding of the original contract of work was that it superseded any changes in Indonesian government law when it was signed and that that included the extensions, which were basically up to you guys in 2021 and 2031 to bring up to 2041.
So basically, what's really to stop the government from changing their mind a year or two from now even if they say, okay, we're going to uphold the 2041 term of the contract life? How do you get assurances that they don't break the contract again?
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
So, repeating some of the things you said, the contract was signed in 1991. It had a 30-year primary term and it contained provisions giving us the right to two 10-year extensions of that contract.
It wasn't like a renegotiating contract. And that came about because that's what Indonesian law allowed at that time.
Under the Indonesian law at 1991, they only had the right to issue a 30-year contract. So, what you have in Indonesia and any other country is a sovereign government which has the right to adopt whatever laws and regulations they decide they should adopt.
And Indonesia passes new mining law in 2009, which triggered the current controversy between us. The protection that we have under our contract and the protection that we are insisting be preserved going forward is that if in fact the government does change its mine as you say and takes actions through laws, regulations or whatever to take value away from what we're entitled to under our agreement, then we have the right to go to international arbitration, a legal proceeding that is structured to be fair, not something that goes through the Indonesian court system and we would have the right to financial compensation for actions that the government has taken.
We have that right now because the contract says very clearly, the government can't restrict exports, well, the government has restricted exports in the past. The government is obligated to give us this extension.
They haven't approved the extension yet. And what we've tried to do Mike and some of these things are uncontrollable, some of them are under our control and what we try to do is find a way to preserve the values for our shareholders and be responsive to the aspirations and desires of the government and find a compromise.
But as part of that compromise, we are insisting that we retain going forward the rights to international arbitration and the rights to financial claims if the government subsequently doesn't honor the contract.
Michael F. Gambardella - JPMorgan Securities LLC
Okay. Understand.
Is there any way for you to estimate what your results for the quarter would have looked like if none of this would have happened in terms of the contract would have never been questioned from 2009 on and you are operating under the contract of work. How different would your results be today?
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Well, let's see. We would have completed mining the open pit last year, in 2016.
And if you go back and review what our plans were, then we would have had an extraordinary year in 2015 and 2016, over 3 million ounces of gold and large copper billings. But for 2017, we would have completed mining the pit and we would be ramping up the Deep MLZ.
So, remember we used to talk about that falloff, the wedge and we were talking about how to offset that through stockpiles and things. So, we would have had extraordinary years in 2015-2016.
You can go out and assume we didn't do the oil and gas deal. That would have made a difference.
We wouldn't have been selling assets and doing all the selling stock and doing all the things we had to do to pay that debt off. So, I'll answer your question, but I don't allow myself to go back and say, would have, could have, should have deal.
We're in the here and now. We have control over a lot of things including some of the issues with the government and we're working hard to deal with those issues.
Michael F. Gambardella - JPMorgan Securities LLC
But the would have, could have, should have, if you don't get a deal with the government and you do go to arbitration, I would assume some of the would have, could have, should have would go into your estimate of what you've lost in terms of value.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
No question, no question. I mean we would – and so this arbitration claim, again, I want to emphasize because I know my friend in Indonesia are listening to this and I'm speaking clearly that we don't want to do that, we want to find a mutually agreeable solution.
But if we don't, the claims are going to be very large.
Michael F. Gambardella - JPMorgan Securities LLC
Sure. Yes.
I would imagine.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Because it's a big asset.
Michael F. Gambardella - JPMorgan Securities LLC
Yes. Huge asset.
Huge difference in performance under the contract of work and what's happened. And how would that transpire assuming you don't get an agreement, you go to arbitration, you win the arbitration, what happens next in terms of how do you receive proceeds or value consideration?
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Well, it gets to be an obligation of the Government of Indonesia. I mean, that's an obligation under their law.
And then there's steps you can take internationally to enforce that as well. There has been some precedent for that, of where – other countries.
Indonesia had a case several years ago as well, and so there's processes to follow. Indonesia, as a member of the G20, as a country that's done big picture well economically, they're going to have pressures of wanting to get this resolved in a way that helps them with their bigger picture economic goals, international goals and so forth.
So, it's not only Freeport and representing our shareholders that has objectives of resolving this. There are also going to be pressures facing Indonesia and getting it resolved.
And I think that's becoming more apparent to them.
Michael F. Gambardella - JPMorgan Securities LLC
Right, okay. Thanks a lot, Richard.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Thanks, Mike.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Chris Mancini with Gabelli. Please go ahead.
Christopher Domenic Mancini - Gabelli & Company
Hi, everybody. I just, so I was just wondering in terms of your projects and potential projects that – the expansion projects that you showed in your presentation.
If copper were at, say, $3 a pound, say it would go to $3.10 or something like that a pound and it was there for a couple months, do you feel like you currently have the balance sheet to start any of those projects or would you like your balance sheet to be in a better position in terms of your net debt position to start a, I guess, you guys haven't mentioned how big these projects would be, but say, a $1 billion expansion project?
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
All right. So – so Chris.
Christopher Domenic Mancini - Gabelli & Company
Yes.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
The short answer to your questions is, yes, the balance sheet is okay, we could do those. But these projects aren't $1 billion projects.
I mean, the Cerro Verde project, which was a major expansion, was $4.5 billion – $5 billion project and it was as well situated a project to do this on that you're ever going to find anywhere in the world, but the El Abra project is a project that would be bigger than that, okay? The – we could get the start going on the Lone Star/Safford project in that range, okay?
Kathleen L. Quirk - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Yeah, that's less than $1 billion, but it's spent over multiple years.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
And yet, to develop the sulfide deposit there is another – so these are major type projects. And while I think we are on a path towards starting the Lone Star deal, it's not in our numbers now, but I think it will be fairly shortly.
But to do one of these multi-billion dollar projects like we would be looking at, at Bagdad and expansion at Sierrita and the sulfide in Safford and so forth. You're going to need to get copper not just for a month or two.
You're going to have to have a clear view that the world economy is developing that there are uncertainties that currently overhang the economy in significant ways are clear to go forward. And that's not just for us, but that's for the rest of the industry.
So I think before that happens, you're going to see a period of time where there's going to be a shortage of copper and you're not going to see the price of these go to $3. We just need to look over our shoulders and we can see at times we had copper at $4.
And we're heading for a world of where that is – that's I believe is in the cards, that it could even be more than that because the great thing about copper is that when you look at its uses, it's not the component that drives demand. Copper is an important necessary component of those.
But so, anyway you've all heard me get on my copper soapbox. That soapbox is, at one point, I was kind of a lone prop in the wilderness.
Now there is a choir singing this song. And so – and yet you don't see people jumping up to invest in new projects and new projects are very scarce.
There is some projects that are being completed and so forth, but the wall of copper that was supposed to come about in 2016 didn't show up. And now to justify the coming wall of copper, some people are talking about you can develop these new mines at $2.50 or less and that just can't be done.
It just can't be done.
Christopher Domenic Mancini - Gabelli & Company
Right.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
And when the – Kathleen is telling me to stop, so I'll get off and so forth. Okay.
Christopher Domenic Mancini - Gabelli & Company
Okay. No, sounded good, the choirs singing sounded good.
But the – but so, right, so what you're saying now Richard, is that you can essentially, at the – your current balance sheet, current copper price, you'll probably be able to approve the Loan Star oxides, which will essentially replace some of the assets that have been depleted at Safford from what I understand. But these big projects like El Abra, you think that you do have the balance sheet to complete those, but that you wouldn't embark on those unless you saw runway for copper being above $3 a pound and going higher.
Is that kind of pretty accurate?
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
That is exactly accurate. And I'll just mention one other factor.
With everything that we've had going on over the years, we've developed some incredible strong relationships in Asia, I mean in China, Japan, Korea. I mean and we have – I can't tell you the number of people who want to be our partners going forward.
I mean Freeport's earned a lot of respect; by the way we are. You look, we're the operators of all of our projects and we've done kind of every kind of project that can be done.
And the people in Asia are hungry for copper and they want to be our partner. So, financing is going to be one of evaluating alternatives as opposed to scramble and to find it.
Christopher Domenic Mancini - Gabelli & Company
Okay. Okay.
Great. And do you have a sense as to, at a given copper price, what kind of IRR on a project you'd be looking for to get it off the ground?
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
We don't – the one thing we've learned, at least I've learnt, is you just don't set a specific hurdle rate.
Christopher Domenic Mancini - Gabelli & Company
Right.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
They have a saying around here, figures don't lie, but liars figure. So, what we do is we look at scenarios for what would happen to us if we made an investment, how it fits in with the rest of our portfolio, what kind of exposure do we have for a gain if prices are higher, what kind of risk do we have to manage our portfolio if prices drop.
So, you need to have good attractive rates of return because these projects have the risk.
Christopher Domenic Mancini - Gabelli & Company
Yeah. Okay.
Great. Thanks, Richard.
Thanks, Kathleen.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Thanks, Chris.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Orest Wowkodaw with Scotiabank. Please go ahead.
Orest Wowkodaw - Scotia Capital, Inc.
Hi. Good morning.
I still have a couple of follow-up questions on Grasberg. Specifically, I realized the major issues for both you and the government have kind of been known for a while.
But what gives you confidence, for example, in terms of a divestment criteria that you can actually get fair value for selling any interest in Grasberg? Has something changed in the last three months to give you more confidence in that?
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Well, what's changed is – that I've said over and over. I think there is a real objective of getting a deal done now from the government side, as it is from our side.
And while the government says we have certain requirements to get a deal done and that it relates to smelter and divestment and financial issues, we said we have requirements to get a deal done. I'm real clear with the government that our shareholders will not accept us not getting fair value for any divestment.
I mean, I hear that over-and-over again because they see our rights under arbitration. We know our legal case is strong.
So it's a recognition that we recognize what their requirements are. They're recognizing what our requirements are.
Orest Wowkodaw - Scotia Capital, Inc.
And are you seeing – your comments suggest that you're actually seeing movement then in terms of sort of the bid/ask spread here in terms of negotiations. Is that fair?
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Yes. That's fair.
Orest Wowkodaw - Scotia Capital, Inc.
Okay. And I mean your comments about working towards a resolution by the end of the year, that's passed, I think, the October temporary export permit.
Would your expectation be that that would just be renewed to kind of keep negotiations going in October?
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
My expectation is that we will get it done within the six months period.
Orest Wowkodaw - Scotia Capital, Inc.
I see. But it might go beyond the current expiry of the – oh, are you saying you think you might get it done by October?
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Yes. That's what I expect.
Now, look, there are enough people in this call who have heard my expectations to be unfulfilled in the past. So, yeah, realistically, but there's a lot of things.
Indonesia has got a 2019 election coming up, et cetera, et cetera and also all those things point to getting a resolution this year.
Orest Wowkodaw - Scotia Capital, Inc.
Okay. And then just finally, you mentioned with respect to Grasberg production that you're looking at accessing a portion of the Grasberg Block Cave through the open pit.
Can you give us a sense of how much additional copper production that could give you in 2018-2019?
Kathleen L. Quirk - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
We'll know more as we mine through some sections. And Mark Johnson is on the line.
He can add to this. But we'll know more as we conduct mining to see if we can, in fact, access ore that would have been mined underground over time.
And the benefit of taking it from the open pit is you can get it now as opposed to getting it over several years in the future. But it's on the order and we'll know more as we get into it, but it's on the order of couple hundred million pounds of copper and 500,000 ounces of gold.
Mark, I don't know if you want to add anything further to that.
Mark Johnson - Freeport-McMoRan Copper & Gold Inc.
No. The one thing I would add is that we've had a very successful campaign on our perimeter blasting.
We do a lot of presplitting for our final walls. And, over time, our geotechs, our engineers are gaining confidence that we can continue to leverage on that experience.
And we're putting additional resources at that to ensure that the quality of those blasts are such that we maximize this opportunity. All that we're looking at there to is we don't have any expectation that it would cause any other concerns on the high wall.
This is upside that would be purely generated on actual results in the field. We're not going to compromise the overall pit stability or any of the operating safety features or standards that we have.
So, this will be something, as Kathleen mentioned, we'll know more month-by-month. We've changed some of our blasting practices now.
We're mining into the area that we blasted. As we have opportunity to observe the results, we'll be able to add more clarity as to what the upside might be.
Orest Wowkodaw - Scotia Capital, Inc.
Okay. And what would be the expected timeline then to update, say, the mine plan moving forward?
Mark Johnson - Freeport-McMoRan Copper & Gold Inc.
Yeah. The...
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
We'll do it every quarter.
Orest Wowkodaw - Scotia Capital, Inc.
Okay. Thank you very much.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Because we don't have an annual planning process here. We update our plans every quarter and so we'll talk to you in three months about where we stand with.
Orest Wowkodaw - Scotia Capital, Inc.
Thank you.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Alex Hacking with Citi. Please go ahead.
Alex, you may be on mute.
Alexander Hacking - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.
Sorry about that. Good morning, Richard and Kathleen.
Kathleen L. Quirk - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Good morning.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Hey, Alex.
Alexander Hacking - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.
I have two questions. The first question, at the Deep MLZ, the geotechnical issues there, you mentioned the impact on production profile.
Would you expect any impact on future OpEx and CapEx there? And then second question is also like Grasberg.
I think you've been very clear that Freeport needs to keep both operating and governance control. Do you believe – is there a structure that you could put in place where you could divest 51%, but still be comfortable that you have that governance and operating control or are those two things mutually incompatible, i.e., your maximum divestment should be less than 50%?
Thank you.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Okay. So...
Kathleen L. Quirk - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Take the last one and then we'll come back to the first one.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
All right. So with respect to the last one, we are suggesting to the government that the optimal way for us to proceed with divestment would be to start with a listing on the Indonesian Stock Exchange.
And that listing would probably be on the order of a 10% interest. The Indonesian Stock Exchange has gotten to be a fair market.
International investors participate in it and so forth. There's lots of discussion within the government about how to proceed with this divestiture deal, but there are ways legally that we're advised that they are working with the government-owned as to how to achieve this objective of maintaining control over governance.
And it basically comes down to being able to elect the majority of the Board of Commissioners. That happens internationally with a number of companies in different environments.
It was not something unique to Indonesia. Now, the second question has to do with the OpEx and CapEx.
It is more of a question of timing. We're going to do some things sequentially that we were doing concurrently initially in terms of developing undercuts and mucking ore.
So it doesn't fundamentally change the cost structure at all, but there is the timing impact and so that has some consequence to it. What we believe will happen is that as we get the mine in position and caving starts in a normal fashion, then we'll go back to the same plan we've had all along.
Kathleen L. Quirk - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
And we have been following protocol with respect to ground support, et cetera. And this mine is requiring investment in significant ground support, more than what we've had in the DOZ, for instance.
But the good news is that all of that is – with this significant event we had in June, all of that held up very well.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Yes. And there were no injuries, I want to be clear there, no people were hurt.
There was some damage to the mine infrastructure, but no major loss of equipment or things like that. And so there's no real change in the fundamental plan that we're on, it's more of a delay.
Alexander Hacking - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.
Thank you, very clear.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Thank you.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Lucas Pipes with FBR & Company. Please go ahead.
Lucas N. Pipes - FBR & Co.
Yes. Good morning and thank you for taking my question.
Richard, you just mentioned how you would approach the question of obtaining fair value for 10% stake of PT-FI. What do you think is the bid/ask spread on that specific point, so how would the Government of Indonesia address that question?
Thank you.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
So, we have really not engaged in any negotiations on fair value. In early 2016, we voluntarily submitted a valuation of PT-FI at that time to the government, but there has been no formal response to that.
You see some comments in the press that we see, but we really haven't gotten to the point of having a bid/ask.
Lucas N. Pipes - FBR & Co.
When do you think this will come up in the negotiations?
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
As we complete the negotiations, that's – the process for divestment, the standards of divestment will be part of the ultimate agreement on the package that we have. It won't be an issue of agreeing on a valuation, but the process of how do you get to a fair value – valuation.
And recently, I noted that the government put out a positive comment about having natural resource companies operating in Indonesia be listed on the Indonesian exchange. And again, that's, that in our view is the fairest way of seeing what the value of this business is, let us get an agreement that settles things down, pick an appropriate time, go out, have a fully marketed interest.
I know from talking with investors, there would be investor interest in investing in this asset and in that way, you have a market-based determination of fair market value.
Lucas N. Pipes - FBR & Co.
That's helpful. Thank you.
And then a quick question on the CapEx side and you mentioned that you expect to spend about $700 million on the underground development and that it depends on a resolution of the PT-FI long-term rights. So if the status quo persists hypothetically through the end of the year, would you still expect to spend $700 million or does it depend on a – does the $700 million depend on a resolution at a given time before the end of the year?
Thank you.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
So, the $700 million is our current spend rate. So, I think you can anticipate that as we go through this year and engage in our discussions, unless they just were to fall apart which I don't expect, that you can anticipate that we'd be spending that $700 million, now we got $750 million booked for next year and that's dependent on getting the agreement.
Lucas N. Pipes - FBR & Co.
Great. Thank you.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Thank you, Lucas.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of John Tumazos with John Tumazos Very Independent Research. Please go ahead.
John C. Tumazos - John Tumazos Very Independent Research LLC
Thank you very much. Weather.com says the next 15-day temps in Safford vicinity average 96 degrees Fahrenheit highs and 74 degrees Fahrenheit lows, which I guess is a big cool wave.
How did you manage to produce copper when it was 123 degrees Fahrenheit highs and 95 degrees Fahrenheit lows? Did the power grid fail on any days, how do you manage equipment utilization and human safety?
And second separate question, when will you define a mineral resource for the Lone Star sulfides, where there is only oxide mined so far? And I guess engineering the project requires having a resource.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Yes. So, John, operating in the heat in Arizona is kind of like operating in the rain in Indonesia, I mean, that's been part of the business all along, and actually, Red, I'm right in saying, it's hotter in Phoenix than it is typically in Safford and Morenci because of the altitude.
And actually when we have operational issues, it's generally when we have unexpected rainfall because a little bit of rain can cause that. Red, you got any...
Harry M. “Red” Conger IV - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Just one thing to add John, we do work with our people diligently on hydration and avoiding heat stroke, knowing the signs of overexposure, providing lots of gatorade and water and those kinds of things, air conditioning and equipment.
John C. Tumazos - John Tumazos Very Independent Research LLC
So, the regional utility didn't have any failures when it was 123 degrees Fahrenheit in Phoenix?
Harry M. “Red” Conger IV - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
No, we did not.
John C. Tumazos - John Tumazos Very Independent Research LLC
You don't lose power, they don't call you up and ask you to turn off the electricity at your mines so that it can air condition people's houses?
Harry M. “Red” Conger IV - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
No, didn't happen and to Richard's point, when we had the monsoon rainstorms that we have exposure to losing power then. And then just one quick comment on the sulfides there, we've got an active drilling campaign underway now to further define sulfides in that district.
John C. Tumazos - John Tumazos Very Independent Research LLC
When will you have a resource at the Lone Star sulfides?
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
We have a resource defined. It's an interesting to debate – to watch Red and his team debate with Kathleen about when are we going to give them enough money to drill that resource to the point of having reserves.
But we feel confident, I mean the resource is so large that there is an opportunity for our development there, it is not resource-dependent.
Kathleen L. Quirk - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
John, on page 6 of the slide, you can see it's the biggest next to Cerro Verde, the biggest resource in the 266 billion pounds of copper.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Right.
John C. Tumazos - John Tumazos Very Independent Research LLC
But it's the possible, it's like not...
Kathleen L. Quirk - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Yes, potential.
John C. Tumazos - John Tumazos Very Independent Research LLC
Right, right.
Kathleen L. Quirk - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Right.
John C. Tumazos - John Tumazos Very Independent Research LLC
So, the Dos Pobres and San Juan are the sulfide resources that are in your annual report and not the Lone Star?
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Yeah. That's correct.
John C. Tumazos - John Tumazos Very Independent Research LLC
So, you got to give Red the money to do what he's got to do.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Yes. We haven't added any reserves yet for Lone Star.
All right. So you're on that side of the debate.
John C. Tumazos - John Tumazos Very Independent Research LLC
We just want you to talk with facts, not – geologic inference is a little bit like – we all have dreams.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Right. Right.
No take-backs here. Okay.
Thanks, John.
John C. Tumazos - John Tumazos Very Independent Research LLC
Thank you. I'm sorry to be direct.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
No.
Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Fawzi Hanano with Berenberg. Please go ahead.
Fawzi Hanano - Joh. Berenberg, Gossler & Co. KG (United Kingdom)
Good morning, Richard, and Kathleen. Just quick questions, not about the regulatory on Indonesia, but more on the operations side.
In terms of milling grades, I've read some articles quoting whether it be correctly or wrongly that you got a targeting 200,000 tons per day run rates with about 140 from the open-pit, 60 from the DOZ. I would like to know what you guys really are targeting particularly at the open-pit before it starts the ramp-down process.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
That's roughly what our plan calls for, what you just mentioned.
Fawzi Hanano - Joh. Berenberg, Gossler & Co. KG (United Kingdom)
And would it be towards end of Q3, later this year or in terms of timing, what are you guys planning?
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Well, we've had some recent days of where we've been at 200,000 tons a day. And the reason what we weren't earlier had to do with this worker absenteeism because that was focused on the Grasberg open-pit operations and we weren't meeting our targets for extracting ore from the open-pit.
But the mill is all aligned and the mill's capacity is on the order of right mark, 250,000 tons, 260,000 tons per day. There's three separate mill lines and then we're preparing that mill to operate at those higher levels as we achieve our Grasberg Block Cave underground ore in the Deep MLZ in the future.
Fawzi Hanano - Joh. Berenberg, Gossler & Co. KG (United Kingdom)
Okay. Thanks, Richard.
And a quick question on CapEx. Looking at the other mining CapEx to increase about $300 million to $1 billion in 2018, could you give a little bit more color around where that's being allocated?
And is this the result of under-spending and sustaining CapEx in the last couple of years?
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Yeah. That's – that's the point I was going to make.
We have been, particularly as we went into 2016, but even before that, as the – when the copper price dropped and as we were facing the financial situation that we faced with the oil and gas investments and the big capital commitments that have been made there that we've now gotten behind us, we were real tough on spending – on maintenance capital and projects, our guys did a great job of sharing equipment, cannibalizing equipment and so forth, and now, we're at the point of having to go back and do some things that had been deferred in the past. So, that's all that is.
It's just – we meet every quarter. The guys – Red's on it every day with his team looking at what needs to be done to maintain safe production.
And so there's some catch-up type things that we're needing to spend money on.
Fawzi Hanano - Joh. Berenberg, Gossler & Co. KG (United Kingdom)
Great...
Kathleen L. Quirk - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
And to the extent that we can defer it and maintain efficiencies, we continue to look at opportunities to do that. But as you see here, in 2017, we're spending very little on sustaining capital in the Americas and we've got some things as Richard said that we're planning to do for 2018.
But teams all focused on, if there are things that we can do to push things out, we'll do it. But we want to maintain the integrity of our equipment.
Fawzi Hanano - Joh. Berenberg, Gossler & Co. KG (United Kingdom)
All right. Thanks.
Mark Johnson - Freeport-McMoRan Copper & Gold Inc.
Richard, this is Mark. I just wanted to add what the ore qualities that we have right now.
You're right that we have ran – at least we've ran over $300,000 through our mill. With the type of rock that we'll be running for the remainder of the year will be averaging nearly $200,000.
There'll be days obviously it'll be $220,000, $230,000, other days with maintenance, it will be less than that. But fourth quarter, we'll be in the $195,000 range.
Fawzi Hanano - Joh. Berenberg, Gossler & Co. KG (United Kingdom)
Thanks, Mark.
Operator
Our final question will come from the line of Michael Dudas with Vertical Research. Please, go ahead.
Michael S. Dudas - Vertical Research Partners, LLC.
I'll make it quick. You guys have been very patient.
Just – compared to March, Richard, you talked about you're seeing more typical disruptions in copper supply and mining versus less than typical in the past few years. Is there a chance we see more than just typical as we move forward given all the lack of investment and given the depletion issues that we're seeing in the industry?
Thank you.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Yes. Michael, that's a good point.
There is a correlation between labor issues and copper price. I mean, as the copper price rises, workers globally will be expected to ask for more and you can see what a labor situation can do to the global copper supply with what Escondida went through recently.
Contractors will be an issue. Labor issues are particularly sensitive in Latin America, in Chile and Peru, which are the world's two largest copper producing countries, I guess China is in that mix somewhere.
But I always say, labor strikes are a contagious disease, so that's – that can happen. Then as equipment ages and as copper prices rise, people press to give more out of it and that was pressure on mechanical issues, which many of these mines were developed years ago, at Grasberg, our big SAG mill was put in, in the mid-1990s.
So as equipment ages, you get stresses mechanically on issues. Then governments start seeing companies making more money and around the world, start seeing other ways of getting more out of it.
We went through an issue in the Congo, as some of you may remember, where we had to deal with that, but all those things add up that as copper prices rise, it's sort of a self-fulfilling prophesy that the opportunities for disruptions grow and that, coupled with whatever other dynamics other than rising copper prices, tend to super charge that kind of movement.
Michael S. Dudas - Vertical Research Partners, LLC.
Richard, best of luck on the negotiations this quarter. Thank you.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
All right. Thanks, Michael.
We appreciate your support.
Richard C. Adkerson - Freeport-McMoRan, Inc.
Well, everyone, thanks for participating. We will be transparent as we go forward and if you have any follow-up questions, check in with David Joint and he'll be responsive to it and look forward to talking about our progress next quarter.
Thank you.
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes our call for today. Thank you for your participation.
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