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Q4 2011 · Earnings Call Transcript

Mar 9, 2012

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by.

Welcome to the Main Street Capital Fourth Quarter Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] This conference is being recorded today, Friday, March 9, 2012.

I would now like to turn the conference over to Ben Burnham with DRG&L. Please go ahead, sir.

Ben Burnham

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us for the Main Street Capital Corporation Fourth Quarter 2011 Earnings Conference Call.

Joining me today on the call are Chairman and CEO, Vince Foster; President, Todd Reppert; and Chief Financial Officer, Dwayne Hyzak.

Ben Burnham

Main Street issued a press release yesterday afternoon that details the company's quarterly financial and operating results. This document is available on the Investor Relations section of the company's website at www.mainstreetcapital.com.

If you would like to be added to the company's e-mail list to receive press releases, please call (713) 529-6600.

Ben Burnham

A replay of today's call will be available beginning about an hour after the completion of the call and will remain available until March 16. Information on how to access the replay is included in yesterday's press release.

We also advise you that this conference call is being broadcast live through an Internet webcast that can be accessed on the company's web page. Please note that information on this call speaks only as of today, March 9, 2012, and therefore, you are advised that time-sensitive information may no longer be accurate as of the time of any replay listening.

Ben Burnham

Our conference call today contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are based on management's estimates, assumptions and projections as of the date of this call and are not guarantees of future performance.

Actual results may differ materially from the results expressed or implied in these statements as a result of risks, uncertainties and other factors including, but not limited to, the factors set forth in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Ben Burnham

During today's call, management will discuss non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to yesterday's press release, which can be found on the company's website, for reconciliation to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures.

Ben Burnham

Now with that, I'd like to turn the call over to Vince.

Vincent Foster

Thanks, Ben, and thank you, all, for joining us today. I will comment on the performance of our investment portfolio, discuss our recent dividend and portfolio company exit announcements and conclude by commenting on the current investing environment.

Following my comments, Todd will cover our fourth quarter and calendar 2011 portfolio activity in more detail and our current liquidity position. Then Dwayne will comment on our fourth quarter and calendar 2011 financial results, after which we will take your questions.

Our investment portfolio continued to deliver strong performance during the fourth quarter. Our investments appreciated during the quarter by $12.4 million on a net basis, the 38 of our investments appreciating during the quarter and 15 depreciating. And our marketable securities portfolio appreciated by $900,000 during the quarter. We finished the quarter and the year with a net asset value per share of $15.19, a sequential increase of $0.70 a share over the third quarter. Our lower middle market portfolio companies ended the quarter with $56 million in cash on the balance sheets and averaged a very conservative net debt to EBITDA ratio of 2.2

1 through our debt position and 2.6:1 including all debt.

Our investment portfolio continued to deliver strong performance during the fourth quarter. Our investments appreciated during the quarter by $12.4 million on a net basis, the 38 of our investments appreciating during the quarter and 15 depreciating. And our marketable securities portfolio appreciated by $900,000 during the quarter. We finished the quarter and the year with a net asset value per share of $15.19, a sequential increase of $0.70 a share over the third quarter. Our lower middle market portfolio companies ended the quarter with $56 million in cash on the balance sheets and averaged a very conservative net debt to EBITDA ratio of 2.2

Earlier this week, we announced that our board declared an increase in our monthly dividend payout to $0.14 a share beginning with the April dividend. This brings our quarterly dividend payout rate to $0.42 a share, an 8% increase over the second quarter of 2011 payout rate.

This is also our second dividend increase within the last 12 months. We've increased our quarterly dividend payout over 27%, $0.33 a quarter at the time of our 2007 IPO, and have never decreased our dividend payout, demonstrating a commitment to sustainability and growth in our dividends.

Our investment portfolio continued to deliver strong performance during the fourth quarter. Our investments appreciated during the quarter by $12.4 million on a net basis, the 38 of our investments appreciating during the quarter and 15 depreciating. And our marketable securities portfolio appreciated by $900,000 during the quarter. We finished the quarter and the year with a net asset value per share of $15.19, a sequential increase of $0.70 a share over the third quarter. Our lower middle market portfolio companies ended the quarter with $56 million in cash on the balance sheets and averaged a very conservative net debt to EBITDA ratio of 2.2

We made a separate announcement earlier this week regarding our 2 portfolio company exit events, which will contribute to produce a significant long-term capital gain that will flow through to our shareholders during the 2012 tax year. At this point, we can predict with a high degree of confidence that over 80% of our second quarter dividends will be taxed at a maximum 15% rate for long-term capital gains.

In addition, 26% of our calendar 2011 dividends qualified for the maximum 15% rate for long-term capital gains.

Our investment portfolio continued to deliver strong performance during the fourth quarter. Our investments appreciated during the quarter by $12.4 million on a net basis, the 38 of our investments appreciating during the quarter and 15 depreciating. And our marketable securities portfolio appreciated by $900,000 during the quarter. We finished the quarter and the year with a net asset value per share of $15.19, a sequential increase of $0.70 a share over the third quarter. Our lower middle market portfolio companies ended the quarter with $56 million in cash on the balance sheets and averaged a very conservative net debt to EBITDA ratio of 2.2

Turning to our dividend outlook going forward, we estimate that we began 2012 with spillover taxable income from 2011 of roughly $8 million or $0.30 a share. We further estimate that we will continue to be able to earn or exceed our current dividend payout rate.

Accordingly, we currently expect to ask our board to declare increases in the third and fourth quarter dividends equal to the increase in the second quarter that we just announced.

Our investment portfolio continued to deliver strong performance during the fourth quarter. Our investments appreciated during the quarter by $12.4 million on a net basis, the 38 of our investments appreciating during the quarter and 15 depreciating. And our marketable securities portfolio appreciated by $900,000 during the quarter. We finished the quarter and the year with a net asset value per share of $15.19, a sequential increase of $0.70 a share over the third quarter. Our lower middle market portfolio companies ended the quarter with $56 million in cash on the balance sheets and averaged a very conservative net debt to EBITDA ratio of 2.2

Our officer/director group has continued to increase ownership of our shares via our dividend reinvestment plan and open-market purchases, investing over $670,000 in our shares during the fourth quarter and over $1.8 million during calendar 2011. Our lower middle market transaction pipeline is consistent with the levels we've experienced the last several quarters.

However, the size of the individual transactions we're reviewing is somewhat larger. I would characterize the environment as stable and our approach as proactive.

We continue to see significant equity participation in our lower middle market investments, and as of year-end, averaged a 34% fully diluted equity ownership position in these roughly 50 companies.

Our investment portfolio continued to deliver strong performance during the fourth quarter. Our investments appreciated during the quarter by $12.4 million on a net basis, the 38 of our investments appreciating during the quarter and 15 depreciating. And our marketable securities portfolio appreciated by $900,000 during the quarter. We finished the quarter and the year with a net asset value per share of $15.19, a sequential increase of $0.70 a share over the third quarter. Our lower middle market portfolio companies ended the quarter with $56 million in cash on the balance sheets and averaged a very conservative net debt to EBITDA ratio of 2.2

Our product placement investing activity, focused primarily on buying and opportunistically selling middle market leverage loans, continues to grow. Originations have been opportunistic, and we continue to see attractive yields and structures.

This activity continues to be accretive to our net investment income per share, which, again, helps drive our dividend growth.

Our investment portfolio continued to deliver strong performance during the fourth quarter. Our investments appreciated during the quarter by $12.4 million on a net basis, the 38 of our investments appreciating during the quarter and 15 depreciating. And our marketable securities portfolio appreciated by $900,000 during the quarter. We finished the quarter and the year with a net asset value per share of $15.19, a sequential increase of $0.70 a share over the third quarter. Our lower middle market portfolio companies ended the quarter with $56 million in cash on the balance sheets and averaged a very conservative net debt to EBITDA ratio of 2.2

With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Todd Reppert, our President, to cover our portfolio activity and liquidity position in more detail.

Todd Reppert

Okay, great. Thanks, Vince, and good morning, everyone.

We are pleased to report another record quarter for Main Street in terms of our financial and operational results. In total, 2011 was clearly a milestone year for Main Street in many respects.

Our fourth quarter 2011 investment activity included investments totaling $81 million within both the lower middle market and private placement components of our portfolio. For the full year of 2011, we closed just over $240 million in total portfolio investments.

The ability to invest in both the lower middle market and private placement components of our investment strategy provides us with capital deployment flexibility and diversifies our investment options to address various market conditions. Private placement investments continued to be an attractive and accretive component of our investment strategy and represented approximately 1/4 of the total cost basis for our investment portfolio as of year-end 2011.

Todd Reppert

Our overall portfolio performance remains strong, and the portfolio continues to improve its diversification by issuer, industry, end markets and geography. At year end, we had investments in 81 portfolio companies across both the lower middle market and private placement components of the portfolio.

The largest portfolio company investment represents around 3% of our total assets, and the majority of our portfolio investments represent less than 1% of our total assets. This increasing diversity adds structural protection to our portfolio, our income and our cash flow, which translates into structural protection for our shareholders.

Todd Reppert

During 2011, most of our portfolio companies experienced sequential quarterly and annual growth in metrics such as revenues, earnings and backlog, with the level of such growth being highly dependent upon specific factors for each company. To some degree, those operating trends are reflected in the improving portfolio company credit statistics that Vince referenced in his comments.

Based on the current economic outlook from our portfolio of companies, we expect the improved underlying trends to continue during 2012.

Todd Reppert

As Vince touched on, the equity investment strategy within our lower middle market portfolio is a major differentiating advantage for Main Street. It has been paying off in the form of significant year-over-year increases and dividend income from portfolio equity investments and over $35 million of net unrealized portfolio appreciation during 2011.

We expect a healthy merger and acquisition market during 2012, which will likely convert some of the embedded unrealized appreciation within our portfolio in the realized investment gains. During the fourth quarter of 2011 and now into 2012, we have announced several portfolio investment exits that were completed at a premium to our previous fair value determinations and which collectively generated meaningful net realized gains.

Todd Reppert

Due to net investment income in excess of dividends paid, net appreciation within the portfolio and 2 accretive equity offerings, Main Street's net asset value per share increased significantly or approximately 16% during 2011. On the capitalization front, Main Street's liquidity and overall capitalization remain strong, and we're well positioned to take advantage of new investment opportunities.

As of today, we have approximately $54 million of cash, which is primarily held at our SBIC subsidiaries, and also maintain over $110 million of marketable securities investments.

Todd Reppert

Our marketable securities investments are made up of relatively liquid interest-bearing debt investments, currently earning a weighted average yield of approximately 7.7%. On a net basis, we have liquidated a portion of the marketable securities portfolio since year-end and have realized net gains on these exits based on favorable market conditions.

We are also in discussions to further expand and improve our existing $235 million 3-year credit facility and are always exploring diverse financing alternatives that can benefit the company without creating undue risk.

Todd Reppert

As of today, we have just over $100 million borrowed under our credit facility, which is bearing annual interest at approximately 2.8%. While we expect utilized various financing sources to support our future operational and investment activities, we remain very focused on maintaining liquidity efficiency, lender diversity and duration flexibility within our various borrowing arrangements.

We also continue to monitor the relative matching of fixed and floating rate debt investments, with a relative amount of fixed and floating rate borrowing arrangements in order to create natural match funding on our balance sheet. We currently have $225 million of outstanding SBIC debentures, with a weighted average fixed interest cost of around 5% and a remaining weighted average maturity of just under 7 years.

In addition to the focus on liquidity and capital flexibility, we remain focused on maintaining a very low operating cost structure, which we view as a significant structural advantage.

Todd Reppert

During 2011, Main Street's total cash, operating and administrative expenses remained below 2% of our average assets. This ratio improved during 2011 from the prior year and should continue to improve in 2012 and beyond.

This part of the operating leverage and being structured as an internally-managed BDC and our cost structure is clearly favorable compared to most other comparable public and private investment products. This cost structure and operating leverage allows us to deliver a greater proportion of the gross portfolio returns to our shareholders.

Todd Reppert

As previously noted, 2011 was a milestone year for Main Street in many respects. On top of various qualitative accomplishments, we are able to meaningfully grow the per share amounts related to our income, our dividends and our net asset value.

We are pleased with this high level of corporate performance translated into a 27% total return for our shareholders during 2011, which significantly exceeded all comparable benchmark indexes.

Todd Reppert

With that, I'll turn the call over to Dwayne Hyzak, Main Street's CFO, to cover our detailed financial results and certain key portfolio statistics.

Dwayne Hyzak

Thanks, Todd. As Vince and Todd previously mentioned, we are happy to report significant increases in total investment income, net investment income and net asset value for the fourth quarter and year ended December 31, 2011.

Total investment income for the fourth quarter and the year increased by approximately 68% for the quarter and 81% for the year over the same period in 2010 to a total of $19.7 million for the quarter and $66.2 million for the year. These increases were primarily driven by increased amounts of interest income associated with higher levels of portfolio debt investments and interest-bearing marketable securities investments, increased dividend activity from portfolio equity investments and increased fee income due to higher levels of transaction activity.

The increase in investment income in the fourth quarter also included an increase of approximately $1.1 million of investment income associated with higher levels of accelerated prepayment and repricing activity for certain debt investments.

Dwayne Hyzak

Fourth quarter 2011 operating expenses, excluding non-cash share-based compensation expense, increased by $2.5 million over prior year to a total of $7.2 million. The operating expense increase was primarily due to higher interest expense as a result of the issuance of $40 million of additional SBIC debentures since December 31, 2010 and increased borrowing activity under our credit facility.

The increase also included higher accrued compensation and other operating expenses related to significant increase in investment income and portfolio investment activity compared to the fourth quarter of 2010 and the expenses associated with certain strategic initiatives.

Dwayne Hyzak

Distributable net investment income for the fourth quarter of 2011 increased by 79% to $12.5 million or $0.48 per share, in comparison to $7 million or $0.36 per share for the same period in the prior year. Our distributable net investment income for the quarter and the year exceeded our dividends paid and resulted in estimated spillover taxable income of approximately $7.9 million or $0.30 per share at December 31, 2011.

While the dollar amount of distributable net investment income increased by 79% over the prior year, the per share percentage increase was 33% due to the higher average number of shares outstanding compared to the corresponding period and prior year, primarily due to the impact of the March and October 2011 follow-on stock offerings. All other 2011 per share measures were similarly affected by the higher weighted average shares outstanding.

Dwayne Hyzak

Distributable net realized income for the fourth quarter of 2011, which included a $900,000 gain on the exit of a portfolio company equity investment, was $13.4 million or $0.51 per share, which represented an increase of $6.4 million or a percentage increase of 191% in comparison to the fourth quarter of 2010. As Vince mentioned, during the fourth quarter of 2011, we recognized $15.2 million of unrealized appreciation in 38 portfolio company investments and $2.8 million of unrealized depreciation in 15 portfolio company investments.

The net change and unrealized appreciation for the fourth quarter also included $900,000 of net unrealized appreciation on investments in our marketable securities portfolio, approximately $900,000 of accounting reversals of net unrealized appreciation related to realized gains recognized during the fourth quarter and approximately $600,000 of net unrealized depreciation attributable to our SBIC debentures.

Dwayne Hyzak

As of year-end, approximately 11.5% of the limited partnership interest of our subsidiary, SBIC Main Street Capital II, were not owned by Main Street. We are happy to report that in the first quarter of 2012, we have completed the acquisition of an additional 8.5% of the limited partnership interest, and we expect to acquire the remaining 3% before the end of the first quarter.

These acquisitions are accretive to both net investment income and net asset value, and we believe the elimination of this minority interest provides better clarity in our financial reporting to our shareholders.

Dwayne Hyzak

Now let me finish with a few portfolio statistics, all as of December 31. In our lower middle market portfolio, we had 54 investments representing approximately $429.1 million of fair value as of year-end or approximately 18.4% above costs.

Consistent with our investment strategy, approximately 75% of our lower middle market portfolio investments at cost were in the form of secured debt investments, and approximately 93% of those debt investments held the first lien security position. The weighted average effective yield on our lower middle market portfolio debt investments as of December 31, 2011 was 14.8%.

We hold equity positions in 94% of our lower middle market portfolio companies, with an average fully diluted equity ownership position of approximately 34%.

As Vince previously mentioned, at the lower middle market portfolio level, the weighted average net senior debt to EBITDA ratio was 2.2

1 or 2.6:1, including portfolio company debt, which is junior in priority to Main Street's debt position. We expect these portfolio level statistics on a same-store basis should generally continue to improve over time based upon the continued favorable operating performance of our portfolio companies and as our companies naturally delever.

In our private placement investments portfolio, we had 27 investments, representing approximately $132.9 million of fair value as of quarter end that we're generating a weighted average yield of approximately 10.6%. Main Street's private placement investments are primarily in the form of debt investments, and approximately 69% of our private placement debt investments at cost held the first lien security position, with most of the remaining investments representing second lien secured investments.

Total portfolio fair value as of December 31, 2011 was approximately 113% of the related cost basis, and we had 1 portfolio investment on non-accrual status, representing approximately 0.1% of the portfolio investment at fair value and 1.1% at cost.

As Vince previously mentioned, at the lower middle market portfolio level, the weighted average net senior debt to EBITDA ratio was 2.2

Based upon our internal investment rating system, with a rating of 1 being the highest and 5 being the lowest, the weighted average investment rating for our portfolio -- investment portfolio was unchanged from prior quarter at 2.2, and we had 4 portfolio companies improve their rating and no portfolio companies decrease their rating from prior quarter.

As Vince previously mentioned, at the lower middle market portfolio level, the weighted average net senior debt to EBITDA ratio was 2.2

With that, I will now turn the call back to the operator so that we may take any questions.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from the line of Robert Dodd with Morgan Keegan.

Robert Dodd

2 quick ones if I could and then a more detailed one, well, for the book. You covered on units some emergence on this M&A activity, and maybe that can lead in some unrealized gains into realized.

Can you give a bit more color? I mean, are portfolio companies in active discussions or is that just a perception of how you think the market is heating up at this point?

Vincent Foster

We have -- kind of for the first time in 2011, it allows of kind of regular way of private equity firms contact us -- contact us about their having an interest in some of our companies, not really as merely add-ons but as platform companies. And when you go back, Robert, to our statistic about having, in effect, share, control 34% average ownership.

It really isn't our unilateral decision, and so we kind of leave it up to the management team when we talk about it. But we do -- having said all that, we know a lot of activity that we really haven't seen before, and we do have active discussions underway.

Robert Dodd

Great. And then, yes, in terms of -- yes, you said 38 companies appreciated, 15 depreciated.

Was there anything, any particular theme among those companies that did the way you did lower valuation, depreciate some of the value in the fourth quarter? Is it economic?

Is it all company-specific? Any particular theme you can give us?

Vincent Foster

No, it's really EBITDA volatility with no particular trend in mind. I mean, we take a pretty disciplined approach on valuation, and we take kind of the trailing -- in general, the trailing 12-months EBITDA.

And so if we're -- as we add another quarter, so, for example, for the fourth quarter, as you add Q4 2011 and you drop off Q4 2010, you might have had a real nice maybe abberationally high Q4 quarter that you're dropping off and you're adding a new one. It could be impacted by weather, I mean, higher fuel prices.

It just -- we don't get too worried about it, we don't really go to the math with our valuation consultants trying to keep the values more stable. We could just kind of let the math fall out as it is.

And that's why you see kind of some of that fall. So as you can see, it's all fairly minor.

Robert Dodd

Yes. Yes, yes, absolutely.

Absolutely. Great.

Last one from me, kind of more detailed. Can you give us any kind of -- obviously, you've got a deal now on the third-party kind of investment adviser, where you mainly function as the adviser to potentially quite large funds.

I mean, can you give us any color on expenses that you guys are going to have to incur ahead of revenue for that? And also, a bigger question, how are you going to go about deal allocation between a fund that potentially could have a lot of available capital?

So if you pro rata it on available capital, I mean, is there a risk that a disproportionate number size of the deals are going to get allocated to your advisee rather than the in-house portfolios. Can you give us any color there?

Vincent Foster

Sure. A good question.

Todd, why don't you take that?

Todd Reppert

Okay. So, Robert, what you're referencing is the HMS income fund that we filed arrangement statement on.

So the short answer is, we really don't have any costs related to that right now other than just some minor travel and some administrative costs. We had a little bit of that in the fourth quarter because it's when we started to file our registration statement.

Our partner in that has agreed to cover a certain amount of the costs up to a certain level, and then we would start splitting. But I really feel like the cost side of things is going to be relatively limited.

And the allocation question is a good one, and it's one that we've been -- obviously have considered heavily relative to doing this. The short answer is, for more syndicated-like debt investments, we feel like we could pretty easily solve both sides of the equation, what we need from a diversification standpoint and what they need from a diversification standpoint without much effort.

So it really comes down to the lower middle market investments. And really, that will take SEC exemptive relief, probably similar to what you've heard from other people for those types of investments.

And that will be kind of a long process. In the SEC, we'll somewhat take out the allocation works.

But in general, we would view it as the independent members of both boards are likely going to have some say on the relative allocation, and it will not be solely based on relative available capital. It will take into account a lot of different things.

And our expectation is that Main Street would continue to get its fair share and probably in most cases, a majority of all those activities even if we do share some with HMS.

Vincent Foster

Yes, Robert, I guess what I would -- just to be a little bit more specific, the -- I think we told our board to be thinking about maybe our maximum exposure about pockets in around $0.01 a share range. As I recall, Todd, something like that.

Todd Reppert

I think that's right.

Vincent Foster

And the allocation investment opportunities, as it relates to lower middle market, it's more a 2013, 2014 and beyond phenomena. And right now, as we invest, we have to go out and find for about a 1/3 of our deals co-investors [indiscernible] too big for us.

And it magnifies the difficulty of making sure you have the right co-investor, making sure they show up and close. So there really is some upside in the lower middle market side of the equation with having a captive co-investor.

So it just makes things much more efficient on our side.

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Vernon Plack with BB&T Capital Markets.

Vernon Plack

I know that the portfolio is well-diversified across many different industries, but I wanted to -- given the -- given all of the experience and expertise that you have in this particular industry, just some thoughts in terms of the opportunities that you're seeing and how you feel about the energy and energy-related businesses at this point.

Vincent Foster

Well, we certainly see a lot of that activity given where we are. And what's interesting is that activity is -- it really isn't a geographically focused as it used to be, I mean -- or just as easy it is -- or just as easy to see someone coming here that's focused on the Marcellus in Pennsylvania, the Bakken, the Eagle Ford or some of these other emerging plays.

And so they're kind of all over the U.S. And I think what we have a bias towards is the companies that are able to generate recurring revenue that -- where their income stream is not really commodity price-dependent, it's not really hydrocarbon type-dependent gas versus oil, versus liquids.

Kind of a pipeline integrity inspection, that type of thing we're pretty attracted to as opposed to the opposite end of spectrum project financed to build a pipeline or to drill a well or something like that. That's about something really we've ever considered doing, so -- but we are mindful of because I would say, Dwayne, you're probably on the ground as much as anyone else.

It is a high proportionate opportunities we're seeing. Do you have any comments on that?

Dwayne Hyzak

Yes. Vince covered a lot of it, but clearly, there's a lot of interest in the space and the exit we had in the first quarter of -- a part of our investment in drilling in, though, was directly in that space and the market that the other had tremendous amount of interest.

And it just shows the amount of interest that the investment community have in that space.

Vernon Plack

Okay. And looking at how the portfolios diversified [indiscernible] from a geographic standpoint, there's obviously a large concentration in your headquarters area and surrounding area, as you lay out in your presentations, and to a less degree, the upper Midwest in the Northeast and the Southeast.

Can we expect a shift over time to a more balanced mix? Or should we continue to expect the bias that the current portfolio shows?

Vincent Foster

Well, we really kind of placed a priority over the quality of the company and the quality of the management team, and geography is kind of secondary. But where we really have a competitive advantage is where there's a [indiscernible] country with very little generalist capital that's interested in basic industry type of investment.

And that's why in the Pacific Northwest, for example, we found a particular need, whereas in and around the Chicago area, it's more competitive, there's other sources of financing. There's very limited pools of financing down here in our area, around the Gulf Coast.

You go to Dallas, however, and there's probably more. And so it's -- in the pools of capital come and go, right, there could be some that launches of fund that got a 2 or 3 investment activity where it's going be very active.

It's happened in Houston a couple of times. They come and they spend a lot of money, and they go away.

It's the returns or something happened to their funds. So it's just a very dynamic scenario, but we're bound to be geographically concentrated in and around here because of our reputation and because of the relative lack of competitors down here.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our next question comes from the line of Mickey Schleien with Ladenburg Thalmann & Co.

Mickey Schleien

I wanted to follow up on the asset allocation question. The tone of your comments seem pretty upbeat with respect to 2012, and I was curious whether that may allow you to perhaps rotate into some different sectors, where, in the past, you may have had underexposure with potentially more tolerance for risk on a go-forward basis.

Vincent Foster

Yes, I don't really think that we would be -- if we saw an equity opportunity that did not involve debt and had not really interested us in the past, I think will continue to not interest us. I think, really, our investment criteria is pretty stable.

It was really pretty stable through the last economic cycle and as we're emerging. And one reason for that is it's important that we have a consistent message out there to the intermediaries and other representatives that are out in a fact-finding opportunities for us.

If we were to continue to change what we were looking at or change our focus geographically in the industry or what have you, so these individuals would have a hard time and probably would not continue to choose us as a favorite in terms of someone that can complete a transaction, provide the depth, provide the equity necessary to complete it. It doesn't really have a financing contingency.

So we really hesitate, I think, to change that message. So we've really been pretty consistent.

I imagine we're going to continue to be. So it's worked -- it's worked pretty well for us.

Dwayne Hyzak

Mickey, I think what we were commenting on was more on the healthy M&A market for some of our equity positions. I mean, obviously, in '08 and '09, we had some of the same equity positions we have now as we would not be sellers, nor would there be really a lot of qualified buyers back either.

So it's really just more looking at the cycles relative to harvesting some of the embedded gains on the equity versus changing the underlying strategy of what we're investing in.

Mickey Schleien

Fair enough. Dwayne, a couple of housekeeping questions.

When can we expect you to file the K?

Dwayne Hyzak

Yes, the 10-K will be filed immediately after the conference call, so you'll have it here in a few minutes.

Mickey Schleien

Okay. And to the [indiscernible] of that, what percentage of the investment portfolio is in equity or equity derivatives on a fair value basis?

Dwayne Hyzak

Not sure I have that number at my fingertips, Mickey, but I can certainly see if we can find it. I'll try and give you that information before the call is over.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And I'm showing no further audio questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to management for any closing remarks you may have.

Vincent Foster

Okay. Well, I think we'll get back to you, Mickey, with that figure.

And thank you, everyone, for joining us and look forward to seeing you, I guess, in about another 60 days. Bye.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude our conference call for today. If you'd like to listen to a replay of today's conference call, please dial 1 (800) -- I'm sorry, please dial 1 (303) 590-3030, using the access code 4515791.

We'd like to thank all of you for your participation, and you may now disconnect.

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