May 2, 2012
Operator
Good afternoon, my name is Susan and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Q1 2012 Omnicell's Earnings Call.
[Operator Instructions] Mr. Rob Seim, Chief Financial Officer, you may begin your conference.
Robin Seim
Thank you. Good afternoon, and welcome to the Omnicell 2012 First Quarter Results Conference Call, where we will also cover our announcement today and the agreement to acquire privately held MTS Medication Technologies.
Robin Seim
Joining me today is Randall Lipps, Omnicell Chairman, President and CEO; and Bill Shields, President of MTS Medication Technologies. You can find our results in the Omnicell first-quarter earnings press release and in the announcement of the agreement to acquire MTS, posted in the Investor Relations section of our website at www.omnicell.com.
Robin Seim
This call will include forward-looking statements subject to risks, uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied. For a more detailed description of the risks that impact these forward-looking statements, please refer to the information under the heading Forward-Looking Statements in our press release today and under the headings Risk Factors and Management's Discussion and Analysis of Financial Condition and Results of Operations in the Omnicell Annual Report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC on March 8, 2012, as well as more recent reports filed with the SEC.
Please be aware that you should not place undue reliance on any forward-looking statements made during the day.
Robin Seim
The date of this conference call is May 2, 2012, and all forward-looking statements made on this call are made based on the beliefs of Omnicell as of this date only. Future events or simply the passage of time, may cause these beliefs to change.
Finally, this conference call is the property of Omnicell, Inc. and any taping, other duplication or redistribution without the express written consent of Omnicell is prohibited.
Robin Seim
Randy and Bill will start the call today discussing the acquisition, and Randy will give us an update on the Omnicell business from Q1. I'll finish up with the financial aspects of the acquisition, our Q1 results and our forecast going forward.
Following that, we'll open the call to your questions. Randy?
Randall Lipps
Well, good afternoon. I'm very excited to announce our agreement to acquire MTS Medication Technologies today.
MTS is a technology and market leader in medication management systems for the long-term care market with a primary focus on medication adherence, packaging and solutions. Today, the Omnicell business is predominantly in the acute care market.
We provide both equipment and software that improves financial and clinical outcomes by helping nurses and pharmacists assure they get the right medications to patients in a timely manner with the lowest amount of clinical work.
Randall Lipps
MTS provides similar benefits for the long-term care space through medication automation systems and consumables that help patients and caregivers adhere to the medication regime prescribed. Customers see medication adherence as a key requirement for closing the medication loop and delivering better clinical outcomes and financial results.
We will discuss medication adherence and explain some of the details of the transaction later in the call but right up front, I'd like to cover why this acquisition is a great strategic fit for both companies.
Randall Lipps
First, the combination creates a company that is aligned with the evolving trends of the Healthcare market. Healthcare is moving towards organizations that are responsible for the health of patients across the continuum of care and moving away from patients -- from payment for an episode of treatment.
The combination of our 2 companies establishes a market-leading organization that can provide medication management across that broader continuum of care. Together we cannot only provide greater comprehensive management of medications, we can also contribute to improving clinical outcomes by helping healthcare providers ensure that medications are administered correctly and in a timely manner.
We believe that medication management solutions, which provide consistent improvement in cost and quality will be appealing to the emerging Accountable Care Organizations, and broader health care entities that are paid on results.
Randall Lipps
Second, our businesses bring capabilities to each other that strengthen the product lines and expand the medication management coverage of both companies. MTS has a broad base of experience in the long-term care and home care markets in the U.S.
and Europe and has an expertise in manufacturing of consumables to support these markets. Omnicell has the unique expertise in capital equipment and software for medication and supply management in the acute care market.
Together, we will be able to bring leveraged and extensive customer support infrastructure and we believe our combined companies will have an unmatched capability to provide medication, management solutions, across a fuller spectrum of the healthcare market.
Randall Lipps
Finally, the transaction makes good financial sense, both on a GAAP basis and on a non-GAAP pro forma basis. The combination is expected to be substantially accretive to earnings to add a growing revenue stream to Omnicell and open up new growth markets for the combined company.
It's also expected to support our long-term goal of achieving 15% operating margins.
Randall Lipps
So, before I go further on, I'd like to introduce Bill Shields, President of MTS Medication Technologies. Bill is a seasoned professional of the healthcare industry, having been President of PharMerica and Executive at AmerisourceBergen, and the CEO of Artromick, before joining MTS in 2009.
So Bill, welcome, and could you tell us a little bit about MTS?
William Shields
That's great, Randy. Thank you, I'd be happy to.
First, let me say how excited and thrilled I and my team are about the business combination. We have a great team here at MTS, and we believe that we share very similar management values to Omnicell.
So joining forces makes a lot of sense and gives us all an opportunity to reach new heights.
William Shields
I joined MTS Medication Technologies 16 months ago as President. MTS has a 28-year history of providing medication management solutions to the long-term care and retail pharmacy markets.
As Randy said, our primary customers are institutional pharmacies that supply highly specialized pharmacy services to long-term care facilities. Our equipment, consumables and software all work together to provide varying levels of automation to these pharmacies, our customers.
William Shields
As you may know, institutional pharmacies provide service to nursing homes, assisted-living facilities, correctional facilities as well as our large range of facilities that all need to manage complex medication regimens. In all of those settings, specialized packaging is a core operating requirement to the pharmacy in order to facilitate the safe and cost-effective storage, management and administration of medications by nurses, other healthcare professionals and care givers.
William Shields
Our equipment and automation product line rounds out our value proposition by enabling pharmacies to pack, seal and label medications in our blister cards. These systems range in price from a few thousand dollars to relatively basic equipment that enables the filling and sealing of a single medication blister pack to much more complex and fully automated equipment that can cost up to $1 million per unit.
All of our products are intended to help the medical industry overcome the problem of medication non-adherence and medication safety.
William Shields
Medication non-adherence is a universally recognized problem for people who live at home. Patients who are elderly or suffering from chronic illness have increasingly complex treatment regimens that can easily include 5 to 10 medications or more.
Patients and the nonprofessional caregivers that assist them can struggle to organize, store and administer their medications as prescribed. And as you can imagine, this can create quite a problem and a wide range of human and economic cost, including poor medical outcomes or worse.
William Shields
According to the New England Healthcare Institute, non-adherence is a costly, critical problem resulting in approximately 125,000 deaths per year and creating approximately $290 billion in extra costs annually. The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, CMS, estimates that 11% of total hospital admissions are related to this issue.
To help solve the problem of non-adherence, our product line also includes multi-med blister cards, which are one way to help patients address these challenges by presorting medications for each dose time individually.
William Shields
Patients know what to take, they know when to take it and then can visually confirm that the medications have been administered. This approach is catching on fastest in our international markets, but we can clearly see a benefit for patients here in the U.S.
as well. As you can imagine, multi-med medication delivery methods are much more complex and take pharmacists and technicians sometimes as much as 20 minutes per patient to fill.
We have multi-med automation that can substantially reduce the time required. Once our systems are installed, packaging components are supplied by MTS.
When you aggregate both the single and multi med consumables, we carry over 300 different types and ship well over 1 million units of components daily from our factory in St. Pete, Florida.
We count some of the largest institutional pharmacies in the U.S., United Kingdom and Germany as our customers. Our product mix is approximately 85% consumables and 15% equipment while our marketing mix is about 80% in the U.S.
and North America and 20% outside the U.S.
William Shields
For the last 3 years, MTS has been a private company. During that time, we focused on operational efficiency and utilized state of the art manufacturing concepts.
We developed new products and expanded our medication adherence solutions, improving the financial profile of the company, and position the company to capitalize on future growth opportunities. The management team and I that had made this happen will be continuing on with Omnicell and the combination is a very exciting one for us.
Like Omnicell, we shared the same vision to provide the highest level of customer service in the industry. Our corporate cultures are a very good fit and we are both expanding our presence in medication management.
Omnicell's acute-care customer relationships and capital equipment experience opens up opportunities we would not have had in MTS alone. I can say the entire team is looking forward to this terrific opportunity.
Randall Lipps
Thank you, Bill, and we are looking forward to working with you and your team. Bill will report directly to me and remain in charge of all currently branded MTS Medication Technologies solutions.
Over time, as our strategies meld together, we will take advantage of opportunities that our combined capabilities provide for us.
Randall Lipps
I'd like to emphasize our history in acquisitions, 85% of the revenue at Omnicell today is associated with an acquisition. So we feel that we have been relatively successful.
Over the past 3 years, we have extended our acquisition integration expertise in Omnicell to allow us to be successful with larger transactions. We feel we are well-prepared for the acquisition of MTS and the fact that Bill and his team will be staying with us helps assure success.
Randall Lipps
Speaking of success, I'd like to turn to Omnicell's results for Q1. We had a solid quarter in Q1 that keeps our momentum in line with our annual growth projections for both revenue and profit.
The new products we announced last year and the expansion of our sales team are driving new sales. Our entry into the China market is going well.
We feel our international strategy is working and in all aspects, Q1 financial results met expectations.
Randall Lipps
A great example of a long-standing customer where our new products provide an even better partnership with Omnicell is in our current announcement of the G4 expansion at Texas Children's Hospital. Texas Children's has been an Omnicell customer for 10 years.
Over time, they have expanded their installations to encompass most of the solutions we sell. Children's hospitals have a very exacting standards.
Their cases are the utmost sensitivity. The range of medications and doses is the widest of any healthcare setting.
There's no tolerance for error. This the type of environment where we feel the advanced features of our systems become most relevant.
Randall Lipps
Texas Children's has recently chosen Omnicell to provide medication and supply management solutions for their $575 million expansion, which is served by our new G4 medication systems on both the nursing floor and in the operating rooms. They use Anywhere RN for nursing efficiency, they use our Flex bin technology for single-dose dispensing to control narcotics and eliminate nurse inventory counts, which allows nursing to spend more time on patient care.
Randall Lipps
In the central pharmacy, they're using our new controlled substance management system to manage their store of narcotics. And they manage their supplies with our OptiFlex supply automation software.
The Omnicell systems are a significant part of their electronic healthcare record initiative as the only medication management system with modular certification for Meaningful Use. We provide the assistance, the assurance they need, that we will fulfill the requirements for Texas Children's to receive the highest level of federal stimulus dollars available.
Randall Lipps
I get asked frequently, what customer environment is like now? Our customers face unprecedented challenges and technology changes, healthcare reform and changing patient and payer mix.
In times of uncertainty, there are many reasons to move cautiously with technology investments. But I believe more and more our customers are seeing how the capabilities we introduce, with our G4 product launch last year, help them through the challenges they face with minimal disruption.
I continue to be optimistic about our potential in the future. We added over 500 new accounts in the past 3 years to our core medication and supply automation business, and we now have many new solutions to help them as their businesses change.
The expansion of our sales force is allowing us to spend more time with these customers, and I believe that we are starting to see this in our results.
Randall Lipps
At the same time, our strategy outside the U.S. to introduce automation in markets that do not have it today is opening up for a whole new opportunity for our customers to apply our innovations for efficiency and control.
So overall our strategy is working. I believe that we are on track to deliver continued improvements in health care economics and safety.
Randall Lipps
With that I'll turn it back over to Rob for the Q1 financials.
Robin Seim
Thanks. So first, I'll cover the MTS acquisition, and as we said in the past, growth through acquisition is one of the 3 pillars to our overall strategy along with international market expansion and further penetration of our customer base in the United States.
Robin Seim
The acquisition of MTS expands our business significantly and we believe it's a good use of our cash because it's expected to drive growth in our business. Omnicell's acquiring MTS Medication Technologies for $156 million in an all-cash transaction.
We expect the transaction to close in late Q2 or early Q3, following the Hart-Scott-Rodino antitrust review.
Robin Seim
For reference here, MTS recorded approximately $75 million of revenue and $12 million of EBITDA in their last fiscal year, which ended on March 31, 2012. Excluding amortization of intangible, acquisition-related cost, we expect the acquisition to be accretive in 2012.
We will able to give a more specific forecast for 2012 as we get more clarity on the actual close date. For 2013, when we have a full year of MTS included in our results, we currently anticipate non-GAAP EPS accretion of approximately $0.15 to $0.17 per share.
And that's excluding amortization of the acquisition-related cost.
Robin Seim
Following the acquisition, Omnicell's employee base will be approximately 1,100 regular employees worldwide and we will add facility locations in Florida, in Ohio, in the United Kingdom and in Germany. Following the acquisition, we expect to have approximately $50 million to $55 million of cash and cash equivalents remaining on our balance sheet.
Robin Seim
So now turning to the first quarter of 2012, Omnicell results were just about exactly where we had previously expected. With $64.1 million of revenue and $0.13 per share of non-GAAP earnings.
Our orders were a little more skewed to existing customers as we expect them to be while adoption of the G4 upgrade continues to grow. 28% of our Q1 orders came from new Greenfield customers or competitive conversions.
With about 3/4 of those from Greenfield customers who are buying automation for the first time.
Robin Seim
Revenue for Q1 2012 increased 12% from Q1 of 2011 and 2% from Q4 of 2011. Q1 2012 profit on a GAAP basis was $0.07 per share, up from $0.02 per share 1 year ago.
And we also look at our profits on a non-GAAP basis excluding stock compensation expense, which is the non-cash expense representing the estimated future value of employee stock options, restricted stock and employee stock purchase plan. And we used non-GAAP financial statements in addition to GAAP financial statements and we feel is useful for investors to understand the non-GAAP stock compensation expenses that are a component of our reported results.
Robin Seim
We find a full reconciliation of our GAAP to non-GAAP results included in our first quarter's earnings press release and it is posted on our website. On a non-GAAP basis, EPS of $0.13 in Q1 2012 was up from $0.11 in Q1 2011, but down from $0.19 in Q4 2011.
There are 3 reasons for the decline in profit from Q4 for the last year and all of them were anticipated in our guidance for Q1 that we gave in January.
Robin Seim
First, we typically have seasonally higher expenses in Q1 that cause a drop in earnings for the quarter. Second, we had higher R&D expense booked in the quarter because we did not capitalize any software R&D expense.
We were on about $6.2 million of gross R&D expense each quarter on a non-GAAP basis and the amount of R&D that is capitalized can vary, depending upon where we are in product development cycles. And finally, we had benefit of $0.02 per share in Q4 2011, for a company bonus plan that was not achieved and that benefit did not repeat in Q1 2012.
Robin Seim
Our non-GAAP operating margin was 9.2% in the quarter and that's up from 7.7% in Q1 of 2011. This is down sequentially, but in line with our expectations and our guidance for overall improvement towards 15% by the end of the year.
Adjusted earnings before interest taxes, depreciation and amortization, which also excludes the stock compensation, amortization, $8.2 million for the first quarter of 2012, up from $6.3 million or an increase of 32% from a year ago.
Robin Seim
The balance sheet remains very strong. Cash and cash equivalents were $210 million up $10 million from Q4 2011.
We did very well on collections, keeping our accounts receivable days sales outstanding at 56 days, up 2 days from last quarter, but well below our current target range of 60 to 70 days. Inventory also decreased from $18 million to $17 million.
And as we've demonstrated today, we target our cash for complementary acquisitions. And we believe after the acquisition, we will continue to generate enough cash to remain active in the acquisition market.
Robin Seim
Regarding the remainder of 2012, we believe we are on track with our previous guidance. We expect 2012 revenue excluding MTS Medication Technologies to be between $263 million and $267 million, up 7% to 8% year-to-year.
We expect non-GAAP earnings excluding MTS Medication Technology's again to be between $0.67 and $0.72 per share, up 14% to 22%.
Robin Seim
Consistent with our strategy, we expect orders to shift towards existing customers as the G4 upgrade cycle becomes a greater percentage of our business. Of the new customers, we expect Greenfield customers to be a higher mix from our business because most international accounts are first-time buyers of medication or supply automation.
We expect 2012 year end product backlog, excluding MTS Medication Technologies, to be between $138 million and $142 million, an increase of up to 6%, from 2011. We are keeping our sights on our goal of 15% non-GAAP operating margins, expect to make significant progress towards that goal through 2012.
By the end-of-the-year we expect to be very close to achieving 15%.
Robin Seim
After we close the acquisition of MTS Medication Technologies, we expect to reevaluate our guidance for 2012. Expect to continue our practice of giving guidance on annual revenue, annual non-GAAP earnings per share and year-end Product backlog.
Although Product backlog will represent less of our business after the MTS acquisition because MTS has a heavier mix of consumables.
Robin Seim
So, operator, now, I'd like to open the call to your questions.
Operator
[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Charles Rhyee with Cowen and Company.
Charles Rhyee
Maybe if I could just ask a couple of questions to Bill. When MTS went private, I guess it was in '09, when you look at the last Q that was available, it looked like results were sort of flat, basically, I think look like about 5% EBITDA margins, revenue is annualized around $70 million now we’re talking about $75 million and $12 million in EBITDA, can you talk about what were the issues back then that led the company go private and talk about what you were able to achieve while you came on board?
William Shields
Sure. I couldn't really speak to all the different reasons that the company -- not having been there, why it went private.
I think that was a great opportunity for the company to make investments in process and in people. And over that time, a lot of that is exactly what we've done.
We've made substantial efforts in operating efficiency and product margin expansion using lean manufacturing. We brought in a lot of new talent to the organization both here and abroad and continue to focused on the thing that makes MTS a great opportunity, which is innovating with our customers and great customer service.
So those are the things that combine to create the company that we are today.
Randall Lipps
Bill, a little bit of not quite the same business today you divested a little bit during that time also.
William Shields
That's also true. One of the things we did last year, we had an add-on acquisition to MTS the name of which was Bath [ph] in the U.K., it was a much more commodity-driven business.
And we thought that was a distraction to our core, so last year we did a lot of work in the international side to consolidate 5 locations to a single location, brought in new leadership and exited that smaller business in the U.K. So we really feel like the International business is prime to not only continue to grow at the rate that it has been growing successfully in the past, but accelerate forward in the future.
Charles Rhyee
Can you maybe describe what the revenue growth has been, because if I annualized the 6 months ended in fiscal '09 it looks like the compounded growth is only been maybe 3% but it seems like if we back out the divestiture, what will the growth rate have been?
William Shields
I think the growth rate over the last 10 years has been between around 5% and 8%. Consumable stream has been a very steady, continuous opportunity for the company sometimes we also have, as I mentioned earlier, our equipment like any capital sales that can have some lumps in its progression.
But overall, consumables continue to drive very steady and continuous growth curve and the equipment's doing very well as well.
Charles Rhyee
And just two last questions, I apologize here. One, if I look at the mix between -- as of the last public Q between consumables and total revenue, is that still roughly the same percentage or is equipment a bigger piece today?
William Shields
Consumables today are 85% of the business and 15% is represented by small equipment all the way through to the more complex automation that I already mentioned. And also some service and support revenue that goes with that equipment and automation.
So 85%, 15% today.
Charles Rhyee
And last question here, really, is my understanding is Omnicare is your largest customer. Is that still correct?
William Shields
It is.
Charles Rhyee
And so when we think about the future growth, and maybe this is a question for Robin and Randy as well, because I understand that you already start to work with Omnicare. Is that sort of how you guys are brought together, just kind of found out about each other or were you guys -- or Randy and Rob were you looking at MTS prior to perhaps work with Omnicare?
And when we look at Omnicare's discussions about their goals for automation and how much they want to have dispensed through automated dispensing, is that sort of jumps -- sort of we should expect coming through the MTS line, though?
Randall Lipps
This is Randy. I think I've known MTS and Todd Siegel, the founder, for many years, and so we're aware of the company and, yes, in our own business line, we see, Omnicell's line, we see the acceleration of sales into a long-term-care environment through an institutional pharmacy.
But our primary objective wasn't only that and really when you look at our overall business, Omnicare will not be a very large portion of the business when you combine it with all of Omnicell's business. It's really to drive outside of the 4 walls of the hospital.
The healthcare trend is to get patients out of hospitals, and then some of those patients that are outside a hospital, they used to be in hospitals, now they need more sophisticated care and skilled nursing and long-term-care in order to kind of do some of the same things that we're doing in a hospital. So this is a big healthcare mega-trend and we're looking for a good strategic fit that help us take this outside the 4 walls of the hospital.
And that's what's really driving us there is our customer base. The IDMs that we work with, they are either acquiring or doing joint deals in the long-term-care environment.
So we certainly see that synergistic market effect through the healthcare trend.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Matt Hewitt with Craig-Hallum Capital Group.
Matthew Hewitt
A couple of questions here. First, it appears that this is the first uptick in product sales you've had from Q4 to Q1 going back all the way to 2008, sounds like the mix was consistent with what you would telegraph.
Could you talk a little bit about the pipeline. I know that exiting Q4 there was a fair amount or a number of large deals that were in the pipeline, hadn't gotten to the goal yet, could you give us an update on those?
Randall Lipps
Yes, I think that we've had -- we don't report back home just give guidance to the bookings but I would just say, most of those deals, they'd eventually closed in Q1. I'm not sure if they all did but new deals close and new deals get pushed out.
But I would just say that we had a very strong -- we had a strong quarter in all aspects, financially for Q1 and feel really positive about the business on the go-forward. We can see the momentum in the pipeline for G4 building.
Matthew Hewitt
So is it fair to say then that since you closed a lot of those large deals that barring the MTS acquisition, if that wasn't occurring, it sounds like there was almost an opportunity that you could've increased your year-end backlog guidance, is that accurate?
Randall Lipps
I think we gave the guidance we gave because it was the right guidance. So as I said in the call, as I said in the script, I just -- we reaffirmed our guidance and we feel that we're on the right path to hit those numbers.
Robin Seim
So Matt, like we had sort of questions about this last quarter when we announced. When we have a deal that slips into the subsequent quarter, it usually doesn't just show up as an order the next week or in the next couple of weeks.
Usually it is slipped because additional sales cycles have to be taken. And when we're extending the time on those additional sales cycles for the customer, that's time that we're not spending someplace else.
So when those deals slip, they don't just become incremental to the subsequent year. We did close several of the deals that didn't close in Q4, but we feel that the guidance we gave in Q1 already contemplated that and we're on track to it.
Matthew Hewitt
Secondly, it sounds like you had a very strong quarter internationally. If I heard you correctly, have you had initial sales in China?
Could you give us an update maybe on the Middle East, how that's progressing?
Robin Seim
So actually, as I reported last quarter, we have had initial sales, initial orders in China. We are doing installations now.
We're happy with how that launch has gone in China. The Middle East continues to be an area that is a good opportunity for us and we continue to have installations.
We've done business from the Middle East for quite some time now. So those are the 2 predominant areas that we're focusing on internationally, although as you know, we're in over 20 countries around the world.
So we had sales in various geographies at any point in time.
Matthew Hewitt
So last question for me and then I'll hop back in the queue. And this, I guess, is for Bill.
Could you describe the margin structure and little bit at MTS today? I think going back in the historical record, it was like a 33% gross margin business but it sounds like you've done quite a bit to increase the efficiency there.
Where does that stand today?
William Shields
Gross margins of equipment and consumables are approximately 45% and I think some of that reflects again my earlier comments about our work with lean manufacturing and improving operating efficiency and the operating margins of MTS are then fairly similar to what Omnicell has today and we expect future operating margins to continue to improve.
Randall Lipps
Just add a little bit to that. Obviously, all businesses had different types of gross margin structures.
Omnicell has a gross margin structure that is in the high '50s. MTS has a structure that's a little bit different, but less sales cost and less engineering cost involved.
And so the operating margin structure is just about the same as where we're at and our plans line up for achieving 15% operating margin. So it's the same goal as we've had all along.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Mohan Naidu with Piper Jaffray.
Mohan Naidu
For Bill, to start off, you said that 20% outside of the U.S. revenue mostly in Europe right now.
Do you have any presence outside of Europe?
William Shields
We do. We shipped I think last year probably to about 26 different countries but we've gotten automation and consumable presence in Australia, Europe, Germany, Spain, U.K., et cetera.
So we think we have a lot of business opportunity to continue expanding. The multi-dose market segment for us is very interesting overseas and we see adoption of multi-med packaging that is much faster than what we've been given to see here in the U.S.
So we're very excited about those opportunities.
Mohan Naidu
And Randy, with Europe, target market for you, do you have a significant presence right now in Europe?
Randall Lipps
Well, Omnicell does have a presence in Europe and pretty much the same with country as Spain, the U.K. or so is the main places.
We do have some in France and some of the other countries. But the U.K., Spain are the primary.
Middle East and the Far East, Singapore and China are our biggest. So we actually have the opportunity to take the MTS solution into these countries where they're not and a little bit vice versa.
But I think we'll have a lot of opportunities in the U.K. to combine the momentum we have there and their momentum to offer joint solution to patients so they could have a Omnicell solution inside the acute care or inside the hospital and outside the hospital.
William Shields
We've also had a growing market in Germany as well. I'm not sure if I mentioned that.
Mohan Naidu
And on the growth profile, you said like 5% to 8% in the last 10 years. So is like the midrange of that is an accurate representation for going forward maybe for 2013 if we look at it all?
Robin Seim
So we're really not prepared on this call to give guidance for 2013. I gave you, in the prepared remarks, a structure of what we thought the EPS would be next year.
And I think when you look at the MTS business, there's a lot of consumable business there, a lot of recurring revenue that's based on the placements of their equipment. And you should expect that same sort of placement in the future and growth as the acuity increases, patients.
So there's more people -- of older and older people in the system. We feel that overall, our growth profile for the combined company will be consistent with what we've been seeing and what we've been forecasting in the past.
Mohan Naidu
Well, switching back on the Hospital market, you commented last quarter I think the small hospital segment [indiscernible] markets is resuming a little bit. Any updates on that?
Any changes in that view?
Randall Lipps
Yes, so we've certainly now seen a trend through the second half of 2011 and the first quarter of 2012 of a rebound in the smaller institutions. Like I said before, I think that's due to 2 factors.
One, those institutions really went on a, I'd say, a buying hiatus for a while, and that's to the point where they needed to then make some purchases of our types of equipment. So you're seeing maybe a little bit of that resumption of the demand.
Also, with the expansion of our sales force, we have a lot more people calling on customers so we're able to get to more of the smaller customers and I think that presence has helped. I probably also add that with our product refresh last year, we brought products to market that are very appealing to some of the smaller customers.
So there would be a lot of factors going on there. I can't tell exactly how much is just market-driven and how much is driven by us.
Mohan Naidu
One last question, I guess on the higher R&D because of no capitalization in the quarter. When do you expect to some capitalization in there?
Or you felt for next couple of quarters, how do see that getting out?
Randall Lipps
Well, based on our product plans, we do expect to have more normal level of capitalization throughout the rest of the year. It is lumpy of course, to remind everyone, that portion of software R&D expense is capitalized once the product reaches technical feasibility, which is kind of late in the software development cycle.
We have ranged anywhere from to nothing capitalized that you saw this quarter up to even $1.5 million capitalized in the quarter. So we will continue to see variability quarter-to-quarter but we expect overall to be at similar levels to what we have been in the past over the rest of the year.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Gene Mannheimer with Auriga.
Gene Mannheimer
Just on that follow-up on the earlier question, margin profile, could you delineate for us the consumable margin from the equipment, historically?
Randall Lipps
It's about the same right now, Gene. They're about 45%.
Gene Mannheimer
And then with respect to competition in that space, can you talk just a little bit about that and what share you comprise?
Randall Lipps
I wouldn't comment directly on the share that we have. We believe we're market-leading competitor.
But when we do see some competing technologies in the packaging space with regards to the pouches and sometimes reusable plastic trays and even in some cases, vials. But MTS is fairly unique and the fact that we have both consumables, equipment and automation.
So we have something for a pharmacy at every end of the spectrum, if you want to pack for 10 patients we can help you do that. If you want to pack for tens of thousands of patients, we can help you do that as well.
So we think we're very unique and believe that will help us to continue our success in the future.
Gene Mannheimer
And then just switching to the quarterly results, while the SG&A looked pretty tight this Q, is that -- was there anything extraordinary about that or is that the right sort of run rate to use going forward?
Randall Lipps
So SG&A of course, is up a little bit from the prior quarter because we didn't have the expenses associated with paying out some of the bonuses last quarter. Our Q1 expenses are always higher because, as you know, we've got a lot of professional folks in the company and they had the payroll tax time again, and so you get that in Q1 and Q2.
And then typically, the expenses start to decline as you go through the rest of the quarter. And we've got other seasonal expenses that hit during Q1, our audits, and we gave our kickoffs for the year and so forth.
Gene Mannheimer
So say to expect in that SG&A, that may be the high point for the year in Q1?
Randall Lipps
Q1 typically is the high point.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Brad Hoover with Sidoti & Company.
Brad Hoover
Bill, just curious to see what your view might be as far as the opportunity in Asia for MTS seeing that Omnicell sees great long-term potential there?
William Shields
We have not yet spent a lot of time there, although we have just recently began discussions with some folks in Japan who have placed their first orders for consumables. So we've kind of had a natural extension of our product marketing and supply chain across the pond to Europe and to Australia.
So it's very interesting obviously. All of the macro factors like a growing aging population, modernization of healthcare, all the things that drive our business, are present in large measure.
So we'll be looking after the close to work with Omnicell on those opportunities in those markets.
Brad Hoover
And then just secondly, as far as I see you're more in the long-term care and Omnicell in the acute care side. But as far as kind of getting your foot in the door of the kind of C-Suite of providers, curious as though, Bill, what you kind of see at Omnicell's relationships kind of benefiting MTS gaining new customers going forward.
William Shields
And I think that's a great question. We have 2 segments, our core business is institutional pharmacies and the customer there is an institutional pharmacy.
And their user of their pharmacy services -- consulting, clinical, packaging, et cetera, is typically a facility like a skilled nursing facility or assisted living or correctional facility. The value proposition there is a cost effective and regulatory compliant medication management process and we kind of solve for operating efficiencies by having the equipment and automation that kind of drive that to the pharmacy.
A very, very important part of our strategy in the future is also in a segment that's related to the community market and this is this challenge of non-adherence. It's a universally held and recognized problem and there, you have essentially retail-type pharmacies that are serving a user who's a patient or somebody helping the patient at home.
And that's a slightly different type of packaging, it's multi-dose. And that's a very exciting part of our business.
It's one of the fastest-growing. And we see markets at varying levels of adoption for that approach.
The U.K. is a very far down the road.
Germany, Australia, these are countries that have a lot of that going on. And so I think that continual and the exciting thing from my perspective here is that Omnicell and MTS would be able to take a patient end-to-end through the continuum.
And they certainly have relationships in with payers and providers and IDNs where we can get into a more fulsome discussion of this adherence opportunity out in the community because, after all, patients generally leave the hospital and head on to the community where this adherence problem is most recognized.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Caroline Macketta [ph] with Lazard Capital Markets.
Unknown Analyst
I think Rob mentioned something about 4 new locations in Florida and Ohio and 2 in Europe. Are those part of the acquisition or you guys planning to build those?
Randall Lipps
No, those are the existing locations that MTS has today. Most of the 300 people at MTS are in St.
Petersburg, Florida. They also have a small plant in Ohio and international operations in Leeds and in Frankfurt.
Unknown Analyst
And then just turning back here on medication management core market. When you think about your existing hospital customers -- I'm just trying to think about kind of overall penetration, what kind of opportunity still exists within that base, within hospitals like what, on average, what number of cabinets are they buying up front and then how does that opportunity look over time?
Randall Lipps
Well the market, of course, is varied depending upon the size of the hospital. Overall, most hospitals, almost 90% of hospitals, have some medication management installations but most of them do not have them in all of the locations inside the hospitals but they eventually will.
We find that most of our installations are in the kind of a 60% penetrated stage. Typically, when an installation is fully penetrated and the facility is running all of their drugs through our systems, you end up with one of our -- the cells of our cabinets and that's kind of 19-inch wide rack mount, as tall as a person segment.
One of those for every 5 to 8 beds. You typically find in the hospitals more in the range of 10 to 15 beds now.
So there's certainly much more penetration opportunity and we see that when, typically when customers get to a point where they're bringing on a remodel part of their facility or they're bringing on a new nursing area of the hospital. They'll relook at their whole installation and start putting more drugs on to the systems and get more efficiencies by doing that.
Operator
We have a follow-up question from the line of Matt Hewitt with Craig-Hallum Capital.
Matthew Hewitt
First, could we get an update on adoption with that Savvy mobile carts?
Randall Lipps
We don't typically breakout revenue by any one of our particular product lines but Savvy was introduced last year. We're pretty happy with the uptake on Savvy and the adoption so far.
And we have several of our customers or what we call marquee customers that have adopted the system.
Matthew Hewitt
And then lastly, the competition that there's been some movement with your #1 competitor as far as getting out of some markets, has it changed anything from a focus or an effort that you've seen?
Randall Lipps
I think there are always tough competitors and especially when we're in a potential swap-out situation and I think we always will be. So we plan for them to be and we swing at a few fastballs and occasionally we hit one.
So I think, we don't see a lot of different dynamics than in the market place than we've seen in the past.
Operator
There are no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the floor back over to Randy Lipps for any closing remarks.
Randall Lipps
I just want to thank everybody for joining today, joining on the call today. It's certainly a watershed moment for the company.
We have tried to be very prudent with the capital we had and use it for shareholders' best value. We were patient over the last few years to find the right kind of acquisition that would make the most sense.
Strategically, what a great fit this is for the company. The core competencies that we can socialize between the 2 companies will really allow us to provide some new products and new avenues for revenue growth.
And certainly, on the accretive side, it makes a lot of financial sense. So we felt like we took our time to find the right acquisition to put our hard-earned capital to work and to grow Omnicell into a faster-growing successful healthcare entity.
So thanks for joining us today. We look forward to giving you updates later on.
Operator
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