Feb 10, 2009
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Powell Industries first quarter earnings conference call (Operators Instructions).
I would now like to turn the conference over to Ken Dennard of DRG&E. Please go ahead, sir.
Ken Dennard
Thank you and good morning everyone. We appreciate you joining us for Powell Industries conference call today to review fiscal 2009 first quarter results.
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Now with me this morning are Pat McDonald, President and Chief Executive Officer and Don Madison, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial and Administrative Officer. I’d now like to turn the call over to Pat.
Patrick McDonald
Thank you Ken, and good morning everyone. Thank you for joining us today to review our fiscal, 2009 first quarter results.
A few weeks ago, many watched a historic inauguration of our new President. Along with nearly 1.8 million people who attended in person and crowded the mall at our nation’s capital.
What you may not know was how Powell was associated with that event. Back in May of 2005, Powell was awarded a $50 million contract to supply traction power substations and assist with a major upgrade to the WMATA rail transportation system that serves the Washington, DC area.
The upgrade modernized the system and enabled a greater number of rail cars per train to carry the ever increasing passenger volume on the WMATA system. A significant portion of the 1.8 million people who attended the inauguration were transported via the WMATA trains, powered by Powell products and systems.
And a glowing report from WMATA officials, the new system operated as planned and without issue, in fact, surpassing expectations. The only issue they reported was a shortage of parking space for all the automobiles at outlying park and ride facilities.
The need for public transportation, including light rail, has never been greater. In the November elections, eight out of ten rail ballot initiatives passed, including cities such as Honolulu, Seattle, and Albuquerque, among others.
The list of FTA funded light rail projects for 2009 is even longer. There is little doubt in our minds that the future of light rail is bright, and that Powell solutions will play a significant role.
We believe 2009 will be a solid year for Powell because of our healthy order backlog. And our first quarter results show that we are on track to deliver the performance indicated by the guidance we presented last quarter.
Over the past two years, the robust nature of the markets we serve, combined with our product, service, and system based solutions has enabled us to produce orders that built this sizable backlog. What we face today is the dynamic nature of schedule changes due to realignment by our customers as they work to manage the timing of cash outflows and keep project costs in line with the reality of the economic cycle.
These movements may create some short term quarter to quarter issues when projects at times shift across quarters in terms of delivery and schedule. However, with change comes opportunity, and we will continue to work with our customers on a daily basis to provide our solutions when and where they are needed.
We are now and will continue to be a relationship focused company. Powell’s long term prospects are bright.
And our long term outlook is upbeat. In the future, the U.S.
and the world will need more oil and natural gas, not less. And the U.S.
will need more electrical power and more public transportation systems, not less. Current news stories and industry surveys support our position, as everything points to the greater need for the exact products, systems, and solutions that Powell offers.
We continue our efforts to broaden our scope and leverage the opportunities of the market as we look for new applications and solutions with smart systems and intelligent products that provide even greater customer value. Our short term focus is to the best of our ability constantly adjust our business to our customer’s needs for their projects; make sure we monitor and keep our business resources in line with our order flow and back log; continue to focus on through put and cost containment; and use project management procedures on our jobs to minimize need for working capital.
Now I will turn the call over to our Chief Financial Officer, Don Madison, to review our solid financial performance in what is traditionally a tough quarter for our company.
Don R. Madison
Thank you, Pat. Revenues for the first quarter fiscal 2009 were $170.5 million compared to $147.1 million in the first quarter of 2008.
Gross margin was 20.2% in the first quarter compared to 18.1% in last year’s first quarter. We are pleased to report that the first quarter gross margin performance of the acquired Power/Vac product was in line with the balance of the company.
It has been a long and difficult process, but we have now reached our short term objectives that we set for this business at the time of its acquisition. Today we have over 300 trained employees dedicated to support and manufacture the Power/Vac product line.
Selling, general, and administrative expenses decreased as a percentage of revenue from 13.7% a year ago to 12.6% in the first quarter, due to higher levels of business activity. SG&A expenses were $21.6 million compared to $20.1 million in last years first quarter.
Interest expense was $472,000 in the first quarter, a decrease of $393,000 from a year ago. Interest income was $57,000 compared to $115,000 in last years first quarter 2008.
Our provision for income taxes reflects an effective tax rate on our earnings before income taxes of 35.1%, which compares to an effective tax rate of 35.3% for fiscal 2008. Net income for the first quarter of fiscal 2009 was $7.9 million or $.68 per diluted share compared to $3.6 million or $.32 per diluted share in the first quarter of fiscal 2008.
New orders placed in the first quarter total $172.2 million compared to $185.1 million in the first quarter of 2008. Order volume in the quarter improved by $35.8 million over the fourth quarter of fiscal 2008.
As of December 31, 2008 our order backlog decreased by $9.2 million to $509.4 million compared to our backlog at September 30, 2008. This decrease was due to the effect of exchange rate differences between the two periods.
Cash flow provided to operations was $38 million for the first quarter due to lower levels of working capital. This decrease in working capital resulted from our efforts to manage inventory and buildings to our customers.
Investment in property plant and equipment during the first quarter, total approximately $2 million, compared to $746,000 during the first quarter fiscal 2008. At December 31, 2008, we had cash and cash equivalents of $25 million compared to $10.1 million at September 30, 2008.
Long term debt and capital lease obligations, including current maturities, total $20.4 million at December 31, 2008 compared to $41.8 million at September 30, 2008. Looking ahead, we continue to expect full year fiscal 2009 revenues to range between $700 million and $725 million, and full year earnings to range between $2.60 and $2.85 per diluted share.
At this point I’ll turn it back to Pat.
Patrick McDonald
Thank you, Don. Let me make a few more remarks and then we’ll be happy to take your questions.
Powell remains well positioned in its markets. And we are working to broaden our scope as we look to the future needs of the market and build even stronger relationships with our customer base.
In these uncertain economic times, Powell remains dedicated to providing solutions that deliver superior value to our customers while in alignment with agreed upon timeframes and schedules. At this point, we’ll be happy to answer any questions that you might have.
Thank you.
Operator
We will now begin the question and answer session. (Operator Instructions).
Our first question comes from the line of John Franzed (ph) with Sedoherty and Company. Please go ahead.
John Franzed
Good morning Pat and Tom. First question is really just kind of a housekeeping question.
What percentage of the oil and gas business was part of your commercial and industrial revenue?
Patrick McDonald
John we don’t typically break that out. But historically it’s run greater than 50%, typically somewhere between 60 and 80%.
This last quarter it continued to be as relatively strong pace.
John Franzed
Okay. I guess differently then, yesterday OPEC announced the putting on hold of 35 driven (inaudible) and we keep hearing in the states about cancellations and deferrals.
And Pat you kind of touched on it a little bit. But can you talk a little bit about how oil and gas is impacting your backlog one way or the other.
Are you seeing a refill with other types of products in the utility market? Can you kind of just discuss that topic because it certainly seems to be something that investors are concerned about?
Patrick McDonald
Well, I think the concern is a real concern as we look at the volatility of the market today. Our backlog continues to remain strong in the oil and gas area.
We have constant discussions with our customers about where they’re going. There is no doubt that we are seeing in our new order expectation levels a lot of projects that we had seen and were anticipating potentially for future orders for us are sometimes being deferred to a later time period.
I think what we are seeing is that we are a deferral. There’s very few other than maybe some speculative projects that we’re seeing that people are saying no we’re canceling it.
We don’t see the need for that project. Most people are saying we are deferring to see where the economic times are going on this.
There is no doubt as we do this as we indicated in what we talked about here. We are looking for new opportunities and greater opportunities in the transportation area.
That’s very solid. We’re very pleased about where that business is going; and what is being anticipated in the speculation of the stimulus package of how that can go up.
We’re very interested in the infrastructure areas. And we still see a lot in the generation and environmental side of the utility business.
So we see strong positions that we can go participate in.
John Franzed
Okay, great. Thanks a lot, Pat.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ned Borland with Next Generation Equity Research.
Please go ahead.
Ned Borland
Good morning guys, just talking about Power/Vac for a minute here. How would those sales trend through the quarter, and if you’ve seen any slowness in particular with some of the commercial construction markets that you serve there?
Patrick McDonald
I think the revenue side of it still looked into the $75 to $85 million side of it if you annualized it out. I would say again if we look at where we have some of our greatest volatility in new coming orders would be the market segment that are served by the Power/Vac product line.
And we’re having to watch that very closely.
Ned Borland
Okay. And then you said that the productivity at Power/Vac is in line with what you have at the legacy business.
Are there any other labor productivity gains that you have put into your forecast?
Patrick McDonald
We always have forecasts of through put gains. It’s really hard in an assembled product business to really look at what your productivity is.
So we look at what our through put is. We still are pushing hard for through put gains.
Because through put gains create capacity opportunities for us.
Ned Borland
Okay, thank you.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Fred Buonocore with CJS Securities.
Please go ahead.
Fred Buonocore
Good morning Pat and nice quarter.
Patrick McDonald
Thanks Fred.
Fred Buonocore
Just on the gross margins, while they were up very nice for the year over year versus your Q3 and Q4 in FY ’08, they were a bit weaker. And I just kind of wanted to get a sense for was that mix related or, I’m just trying to get a sense for what gross margins should look like for much of FY ’09?
Patrick McDonald
Fred, as we talked in the past, it is clearly in a project business, each and every project are not exactly the same. Each project does have some characteristic of its own.
And that’s what we saw again in the first quarter. We saw a couple of large projects that were coming to the factory during the early phases of the production.
And we had some cost over runs in engineering that we went on and recognized relative to our percentage of completion accounting. And but yet there is still a lot of opportunity in front of those orders to recover and to improve those as they go through the system.
But yes, when you’re looking at this current quarter relative to the fourth quarter, particularly when you take into consideration the impact improvements that we saw from the Power/Vac product line, first quarter gross margins are slightly down compared to the Q4.
Fred Buonocore
Got it; so in other words some of those early phase projects as they move into more mature phases would probably get a margin pick up, you would think.
Patrick McDonald
Yes, we’re working to that effect.
Fred Buonocore
Okay, that makes sense. On the back log and the impact from FX, can you give us a sense for roughly how much of your back log is denominated in foreign currency or I guess it’s S&I back log I would assume?
Don Madison
Well the vast majority of it is S&I, but it relates basically to the pound sterling. We do have some back log in euros and to a much smaller degree even the sing dollar.
So we’re exposed to more than one currency. But clearly the vast majority of it is the impact that we saw this last quarter on the pound sterling relative to the U.S.
dollar. We saw a fairly significant drop.
You could look at the exchange rates, and we saw it’s nearly 20% drop; 80% at the end of the December time frame relative to what it was in September, the pound to the dollar, which translated into a little over $10 million U.S. dollar decline in the back log.
When you’re looking at the outlook, though, we’re seeing that beginning to move back to where the pound is strengthening to the U.S. dollar and it still questionable what the full year impact would be.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Craig Bell with Smh Capital.
Please go ahead.
Craig Bell
Yes, good morning, Don just quickly following up on that foreign exchange, did you say that there was also a negative currency impact for their fiscal fourth quarter?
Don Madison
No, I’m saying when we’re looking at the first quarter you look from the two periods. And when you look at the fourth quarter, my recollection it was a nominal difference in the fourth quarter, the September quarter relative to the June quarter.
We saw I believe the June quarter was running just under $2.00 to the pound. September time frame it would drop down to $1.80 something.
And then like I saw we ended December at less than $1.50 to the pound. So the most dramatic drop was in the December quarter.
Craig Bell
Okay, great, and then other than sort of call it normal hiring levels for replacement, are you guys still in the hiring mode?
Patrick McDonald
We continue to look for good talent. I mean as we look for people to replace people who are retiring or leaving the company or whatever, we are constantly hiring.
But we also continue to look to fill skill sets and opportunities that we think are going to be necessary for us to maintain the positions that we’re in; engineering, project management. You know we put a great emphasis on those areas, and we are constantly looking for good talent.
But, overall, we’re probably flat.
Operator
Thank you (Operator Instructions). Our next question comes from the line of George Gasper with Robert W.
Baird. Please go ahead.
George Gasper
Yes good morning. Good quarter for you guys.
It’s nice to see. Question on Cap EX outlook for ’09 and your project outlook facility by facility, what are your thoughts on what you have to accomplish this year?
Patrick McDonald
Facility by facility, again George you know we don’t talk facility by facility. In the electrical power products segment we continue to look for capacity expansions and through put improvements.
We still expect our Cap Ex spending this year to be in the $8 to $10 million range. And the majority of our spend in the first quarter was in capacity improvement areas.
So we’ll continue to look by the market segments and see where the market segments are telling us to put the capacity in. And we’ll continue to invest in capacity.
George Gasper
Okay and one follow up on some of the comments you were making on refinery; the oil and gas area in general. My question is specifically on refinery infrastructure enhancement.
How are you sensing that business right now? It seems like there’s more refineries that are trying to get hydro cracked into the lower end of the barrel to produce more diesel.
Is this offering anything special to you in terms of added power requirements on the part of the refineries?
Patrick McDonald
George you’re right on. Any time a refinery looks at changing its mix, its blend, its way of doing things; it typically requires an additional power capacity expansion.
And those always create opportunities for us. I think we’re still going to see good opportunities.
They are going to be tentative at times as people are watching their cash flow on this. But there is going to be good opportunities out there for us to continue to improve what they’re trying to do.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brendan Watkins with D.A.
Davidson. Please go ahead.
Brendan Watkins
Hello guys. Good morning.
I’m looking at new orders in the quarter, and I was wondering if there’s been any material change in pricing versus previous quarters?
Don Madison
I can’t say that there’s any material change in pricing. We continue to try to price to the market.
And as the job and the things the customer is asking us to do, we continue to price to those types of specs. And we’ve been relatively consistent on our pricing with those.
Brendan Watkins
Okay. And then last question, as far as your competitive environment is concerned, I was wondering if there’s been any changes on the contracts that are out for bid?
Don Madison
We continue to see more people bidding now than we have in the past. There is no doubt about that.
Operator
Thank you. And we have a follow-up question from the line of Fred Buonocore with CJS Securities.
Please go ahead.
Fred Buonocore
Yes Don. It was a very strong cash flow quarter, and I just wanted to get a sense if you could give us some more detail on that.
Are you starting to be able to implement more progress payments early on in the projects, and what your expectations are as we move through the year on cash flow from operations?
Don Madison
Clearly this is something we’ve been talking about and working on internally now for well over a year. When you are a long cycle business with an order cycle many times going in excess of 12 months, it takes time to implement change within an organization.
And we’re pleased to now begin to see the benefits of the work that has gone on throughout our organization over the last year and year-and-a-half. What we are seeing in the current quarter is driving inventories down.
Some of this is coming through processed changes. Some of this is coming through new business information systems that we've implemented over the last couple of years.
And some of this is also getting the efficiencies of the Power/Vac product line, where we had duplicate inventories at a period of time. We're working those off and we're driving the business to be an effective and efficient, not only from a labor resource standpoint but also from a cash utilization standpoint of managing the inventory.
From the building cycle standpoint, yes, we've seen improvements in the way that we have negotiated contracts, and again going back to well over a year ago, and its not only negotiating the contract but it’s the execution to the contract throughout its phase. Like I said, we still think there is additional opportunities from where we are today but I'm not going to sit here and say that we're going to see a $38 million each and every quarter going forward.
But clearly I think that we have turned a corner and you will see positive cash flow from Powell, not necessarily quarter to quarter but clearly you'll see continued improvements for the balance of the year.
Unidentified Analyst
So would you think it would be – you had previously indicated, you know, free cash flow would be modestly positive for the year. Do you think it might be a little bit better than that in light of your Q1?
Patrick McDonald
It all depends on how you define modest. Clearly I think we are not as good as we're going to get but its – when it gets to cash flow, any one bleep on the radar screen can hurt you momentarily and if that bleep occurs in September, it will impact the year, obviously when you're looking at a point in time.
But I clearly think you're going to see continued improvement of where we are today.
Operator
Thank you. (Operator Instructions).
And our next question comes from the line John Franzreb with Sidoti and Company. Please go ahead.
John Franzreb
Pat had indicated that we are in transit. It’s a significant opportunity out there.
I'm assuming that business is about 5% of sales, maybe 6% of sales right now. Looking a few years forward, how big of an opportunity do you think that that could be?
Patrick McDonald
You know, I really haven't put the pencil and paper to the number of how big it could be. I think it can be definitely more significant than it is today.
And again, as we look at – its not just the traction that we have been providing, it’s the combination of traction and smart systems. I mean everybody is looking for better ways to manage their energy usage, their flow of energy, the reading of the energy, where the cars, the trains, you know, where the rails are.
And we want a bigger piece of that. So again, its not just how many more projects we can take but how much we can more broaden the amount of each project that we take with the customer base.
John Franzreb
Okay. And in the utility market in the clear, you did about $38.5 million.
Its down, and the low double digit number year-over-year. Could you talk to what happened there and should we infer anything from that.
Don R. Madison
I think its just mix. I mean our target of who we are attacking in the utility marketplace is good and right on.
We're going to continue to work to expand that now, but it was mostly mixed in the quarter.
Patrick McDonald
Keep in mind that, John, when you're looking at our revenues by quarter, it all depends on which projects are in the shop at any one point in time. And that’s not necessarily consistent day in and day out.
Because our projects in the factories are based the delivery requirements of our clients.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Beth Willey (ph) with Cabelli (ph) and Company.
Please go ahead.
Beth Willey
Good morning, Pat and Don.
Patrick McDonald
Hi, Beth.
Beth Willey
I wanted to just talk a little bit more about just the competitive environment. You’ve spoken about it the last couple of conference calls and can you – has it worsened?
I mean you’ve talked about additional players coming into your markets but would you say that the competitive environment has become tougher or just the same amount of competitors and just people are bidding. I mean can you just expand upon that a little bit.
Patrick McDonald
I think again the number of competitors is about the same. I mean we always have the same number of competitors, its how many are bidding on any job at any one point in time.
I mean our competitors remain the same competitors that we always talk to. Its where their focus is at any one point in time.
So I mean they come in and they try to bid the projects and some of them are very good and we respect all of our competitors but we still believe that nobody provides the same type of solution to our customer bases the way Powell does. And adds to the value side that we try to bring forward.
Beth Willey
Okay. So, its not as though things have gotten more competitive.
Its just that – I mean there is not new entrance. Its just the same ones.
Patrick McDonald
Same ones.
Operator
Thank you. And we have a followup question from the line of George Gaspar with Robert W.
Baird. Please go ahead.
George Gaspar
Yes. Thank you.
Again, on the new applications for Powell equipment side, R&D wise is there anything special that you all are working on or trying to implement to the market that can bring you some broadening opportunity?
Patrick McDonald
Well when I look, George, when I look at products specific, yes, there are some new ones that we're going to have coming on line here before too much longer. I think what I look at though, that I think the greatest opportunity for us is, we are trying in a much more proactive manner to combine the forces of our systems intelligence architecture across our process control and our electrical power process businesses.
A lot of the things that they did were very much the same so we're trying to build our critical mass together across those businesses to provide better solutions for our customers for what they're asking, you know, these different systems to talk to and how they act and how they work. So I'm really excited about that opportunity.
George Gaspar
I see. Okay.
Thank you.
Patrick McDonald
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. And at this time, I'm showing no further questions in the queue.
I'd like to turn the conference back over to Patrick McDonald. Please go ahead.
Patrick McDonald
Again, thank you for joining us today. We really appreciate and thank your interest in Powell.
And we definitely looking forward to talking with you again next quarter.
Operator
Ladies and Gentlemen, this concludes the Powell Industries first quarter earnings conference call. This conference will be available for replay after 1 p.m.
Eastern Standard Time today through February 17th, 2009 at midnight. (Operator Instructions).
Thank you for your participation and you may now disconnect.